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My exp of both cards: I had a PC that was the mark of Packard Bell, it had an Intel Processor and Nvidia card. After 1 year i discovered that my PC could not handle games, the screen was ****edup and everything. I checked in the PC and there was a hole. 2x2 CM on the grapfics card. It was an 8800 GT that was supposed to be good at the time i bought the PC.

I had 2 nvidia cards in that PC, both had a problem and died. (The cooler still worked in the PC, just the card died).

Later on i bought an 4000 series ATI card from my pal, the card was 3 years old and well used. I bought it for 10 bucks because i needed something until the next summer so i could work and get a new PC, the one i have now.

That ATi card is still working in that PC and is still used on a 1280x1080 screen, it's able to play BFBC2 and simular games and has no problems so far. Even the PC's COOLER IS BROKEN and still the card is NOT overheating or something like that.

Now you maybe understand why i chose AMD in my new PC, because ATI gave me that mark in the head.. They are better. And that's it!
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It's hard to be a fanboy when its quite simple, when Nvidia dominates they overprice. When the performance on both is balanced, they sell mid range card's priced equal to AMD high end GPU.
The GTX580 costed 500 pounds, and for that price I could buy two 6970's... Could find them for 250 pounds. So yea rolleyes.gif
Call me a fanboy if you wish rolleyes.gif


Do you remember the 700$ 7970s?
It took them quite a while to release proper drivers for those, too. 
 

 

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My exp of both cards: I had a PC that was the mark of Packard Bell, it had an Intel Processor and Nvidia card. After 1 year i discovered that my PC could not handle games, the screen was ****edup and everything. I checked in the PC and there was a hole. 2x2 CM on the grapfics card. It was an 8800 GT that was supposed to be good at the time i bought the PC.
I had 2 nvidia cards in that PC, both had a problem and died. (The cooler still worked in the PC, just the card died).
Later on i bought an 4000 series ATI card from my pal, the card was 3 years old and well used. I bought it for 10 bucks because i needed something until the next summer so i could work and get a new PC, the one i have now.
That ATi card is still working in that PC and is still used on a 1280x1080 screen, it's able to play BFBC2 and simular games and has no problems so far. Even the PC's COOLER IS BROKEN and still the card is NOT overheating or something like that.
Now you maybe understand why i chose AMD in my new PC, because ATI gave me that mark in the head.. They are better. And that's it!

 

 

TBH it's really the luck of the draw. I'm having similar experience but with nVidia. That's why it's important to buy from a brand that have a solid warranty.

 

post #23 of 35
The new 79XX series are great cards, I'm not even going to try and argue that point, and the new drivers have made huge improvements from my understanding. At stock clocks with no GPU OC, the 680 will beat the 7970 on some games I think, but the 7970 has been shown to be a very strong overclocker and when oc'ed will beat the 680. The 7970 does use more power and put out more heat though.
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The new 79XX series are great cards, I'm not even going to try and argue that point, and the new drivers have made huge improvements from my understanding. At stock clocks with no GPU OC, the 680 will beat the 7970 on some games I think, but the 7970 has been shown to be a very strong overclocker and when oc'ed will beat the 680. The 7970 does use more power and put out more heat though.

While I agree on this(the TDP difference is obvious), the heat/temperature threshold for both cards are different: Although Keplers are generally cooler, they have to be kept under 70C to maintain their max OC because of Kepler Thermal throttling. Tahiti while hotter won't lose their OC to thermal throttling until you get into VRM temperature danger zone.
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AMD GPU's are the way to go. Back in the day ATI was the King of DX9, wasn't till DX10 with Nvidia 8 series that ATI started having real trouble. With the 2900 and the 3800 series being more or less duds when it come to high end performance, it wasn't till the 4800 series were they able to regain their stance in gaming world. AMD currently is offering more performance for less money.

Now from a CPU standpoint AMD is going down the tubes when it comes to gaming performance and overall general applications. Bulldozer is more of a server architecture at heart, though because it was designed mostly by a computer it was extremely inefficient upon release. The architecture favors multi-threaded scenarios better then single thread, meaning a lower IPC per core. Gaming heavily favors single threaded IPC and not the amount of cores it packs. For desktop uses a intel chip servers a better purpose on the high end side. But for the lower end I would go trinity unless your gaming. For most people that have no interest in gaming Trinity is a better buy. My laptop still has a C2D (T9600) witch is plenty fast, it has a SSD and windows wise it is just as quick as my desktop. Trinity will give you the same experience, even though the i3 may render something a few seconds faster overall the performance you actually feel is about the same. Trinity just offers a better balanced product, which is why it should be found on every low cost desktop out their. Sadly its not and this is the reason why AMD is failing, they need to push their products into items. AMD should have a APU ready for windows 8 tablets already, yet they don't and this is the reason why intel will just overtake that side as well. Largly it's AMD's own fault they are doing so poorly on the cpu side, they are always late to the game.
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While I agree on this(the TDP difference is obvious), the heat/temperature threshold for both cards are different: Although Keplers are generally cooler, they have to be kept under 70C to maintain their max OC because of Kepler Thermal throttling. Tahiti while hotter won't lose their OC to thermal throttling until you get into VRM temperature danger zone.


Actually, not really. If your kepler card hit 70 it will downclock by a whopping 13 MHz. If it hit 80 it will downclock by another 13 MHz. It does affect performance, but not by much.


And, I must add that my 670 FTW never hit 70c in normal usage (folding is another story). thumb.gif

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Actually, not really. If your kepler card hit 70 it will downclock by a whopping 13 MHz. If it hit 80 it will downclock by another 13 MHz. It does affect performance, but not by much.



And, I must add that my 670 FTW never hit 70c in normal usage (folding is another story). thumb.gif
Same here, even running Heaven at max voltage with the fan at 80% it still stayed just under 70
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Actually, not really. If your kepler card hit 70 it will downclock by a whopping 13 MHz. If it hit 80 it will downclock by another 13 MHz. It does affect performance, but not by much.



And, I must add that my 670 FTW never hit 70c in normal usage (folding is another story). thumb.gif

My point being that while Kepler runs cooler, their optimal operating temperature ceiling is also lower. Since GPU components nowadays have no problem withstanding 85C the temperature difference is insignificant.
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My point being that while Kepler runs cooler, their optimal operating temperature ceiling is also lower. Since GPU components nowadays have no problem withstanding 85C the temperature difference is insignificant.

 

True that. It's similar to what AMD have done with their Phenom II CPUs.

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Haha, i'm sending back the card to the dist.. It's a malfunction that ALL 7870's have in common. Screen turns black and noisy sounds.
Why are they telling me that Nvidia is so much faster and everything? They say that not even the 7970 cant compete with 680's "because AMD is ****, i mean look ur rig, u have lots of probs with it haha".
:/

The differences between the 7970 and the 680 are negligible. With the latest drivers the 7970 caught up to the 680 in BF3, a title which it previously lagged far behind in. This might be what they are referring to since it is a popular game...
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