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But is the performance much better than a 212+ (or anything else out there for under $40) when in equal conditions (same fan setup using same fans kind of thing, ie push/pull on hyper 212+ vs push/pull on h50)
You say its not great on hotter chips but im not sure what you mean. i mean the hyper 212 is a great heatsink in general, there's no argument onthat, but ti sounds like the h50 is significantly better....?

I will give you the most recent example. I just upgraded a friends 1156 machine, he has an i5-750 which was cooled by the original 212. It was fine at stock but we overclocked to 3.8ghz (up from 2.7ghz) and the 212 was struggling to keep the CPU under 85*C. I swapped it with an H50 I had bought refurbished and used the same pair of CM fans from the 212 and the max temps were around 71*C. The key is to set up the radiator fans as an intake which gives it the huge advantage of pulling in cool outside air as opposed to circulating hot case air.

The 212 is a great budget cooler, but it just does not have a lot of surface area and depends heavily on the fan choice. If you aren't overclocking or running a 125w chip you will most likely never have a problem, but it becomes saturated easily when you start looking at those kinds of setups.

I've found a good option for a slightly larger air cooler that perfoms well is the CNPS10x Flex from Zalman, it has more surface area and will cool a 6-core SB-E CPU at 4.5-4.6ghz depending on voltage without the huge footprint of the very high end air coolers, and it usually only costs about $35 but has no fans with it.
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I looked up the CNPS10x Flex, but the cheapest I can find it for is $40, which is 50% more I can find the H50. Maybe somewhere it's a little cheaper, but it basically looks like it's the same price as the H50 at best.

Thanks for your feedback. If I get an H50, i'll be sure to test it out in every configuration. I have a ****ton of fans in my case so there's not really any hot circulating case air (2xintake, 2xrear, 2x hyper, gtx twin frozr ii, 1 vrm 40mm fan, 1 chipset 80mm fan), but its interesting you say intake is lower temps.

I'll keep that in mind in reading reviews. I dont understand how people compare a HSF using the stock fans. Like there's literally a ton of people out there saying the H70 is just a million times better than the H50.... but that's because it comes with 2 fans lolol. And every test ive seen on push/pull h50 vs push/pull h70 shows the h50 is actually a better cooler.
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so would a H50 for under $40 be a good deal? If I could get it for under $40, wouldnt that make it the best cpu cooler for the money that I could get? I mean, is there any other cpu cooler under $40 that's better?

It also seems that Corsair will send you an am3 bracket for free, in case i buy one off ebay that doesnt come with one.
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Belial,

Be careful, the Corsairs have pump issues, I bought mine over a year ago, it started with air noise then metallic grining in the pump. Apparently it's caused by the voltage applied to the pump and some have managed to get rid of it by using a down voltage resistor in the line. I haven't tried that. I actually took it out and replaced it with a hyper 212+, this was on a rig with an AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE overclocked to 3.6Ghz, it runs at 3.0Ghz stock. When I put the 212 in I was getting the same temps at idle and not as good with load but not enough to make me go through the RMA process to get a new H50.

When it's working and not noisy (I've read many posts from happy noise free customers) the H50 is hands down better during load. But you have to make sure you can return it easily and watch out for that pump noise.

Also they say that the orientation of the hoses isn't important since it's a sealed system. Don't believe them. Mount the radiator so that the hoses are on the bottom and the heatsink the same. Even a quarter turn sideways on the heatsink can cause the noise and you're more likely to get air bubble noise if you mount the radiator upside down.

I've currently got my H50 on my 3770K rig and it keeps the temperatures really really low. I'll probably chance it and get an H100 when I have the cash so I can push the 3770K closer to 5Ghz, they seem to get really hot compared to the sandy 2600K. But I still hear tales about pump noise in the H100 series...
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Well idle temps don't really matter, they can fluctuate a lot and i dont really care if the cpu runs at 20 or 40*C idle. I mean it doesnt really mean anything, to my understanding, nor a reliable way to compare cooling systems.

Thanks for your tale of caution though. What I'm particularly interested in, is http://www.overclock.net/t/647943/guide-h50-replace-tubes-and-res-mod/300_100 . Since I'm a budget builder, it's kind of cool the idea I can tweak the h50 into some much higher end cooling system in the future, which is exactly the kind of stuff I do (ie i sawed an am2 heatsink into a 1cm strip and stuck it onto my mosfets and screwed a fan into the fins, i strapped an 80mm fan to my chipset, my phenom ii 955 i bought for $31 with 5 broken pins and a ton of bent ones and i used strips of copper wire to replace the lost pins to make it work and overclock to 3.6+ 24 hour stable, etc).

I might not be able to get the H50 for only $25-30, looks like I'll have to pay about $35 for an H50. Which is fine, just not as cheap as it was initially (unless someone sells one with some minor defect like stripped screws or used or something).

Right now, I'm looking at:

Zerotherm ZT-10D $36.99
ZALMAN CNPS9900 MAX 135mm $43.99
Logisys Assassion for $45
H50 ~$35

Trying to figure out which of these fans cools the best. I'm also seeing Noctua D14's for under $50, im not sure if I can get those for $50 or less, although it seems sometimes you can get a D14 for $20-30 if they dont come with the fans or have minor damage (something insignificant). I'm not asking anything here, I just found out about these deals so I'm currently looking at comparisons, but I might go with one of the other fans instead. I'm basically looking for the best cooler for $45 or under, preferably under $35.
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post #27 of 97
I would go for the Assassin cooler. It is one of the best air coolers on the planet.
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The H50 was never affected by the pump issues, it only effected the new models (H100 and watercoolers around its series). Ive had a H50 for 3 years and there was no problems. Both of my friends build have had no problems and they've been running them for two years straight. Low351 may have just had a bad unit. Belial if you plan to upgrade to full water cooling later on, the H50 won't provide much expansion room. The pump is weak, the block is mediocre at performance and the barbs are permanent.

Also the assassin would provide the absolute best temperatures out of your options, it is comparable with a NH-D14.
post #29 of 97
I'd say a used Venomous-x, mux-120 black, true-spirit 140, Thermalright Archon, or even a Zalman 9900 would fare better while being quieter than the 212+.
H50 is quite good, but not much better...
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I will not be going into custom water cooling anytime soon lolol.

I'm just looking for the best budget cooling I can buy for under $40. If what I hear about the assassin is true, it may very well be worth going over budget a bit, but I'm truly trying to stay under $40, 35.

It appears to me that at the price points I've found these heatsinks, they are all awesome. I was originally just trying to find the right H50, but I just discovered these other deals (i wasnt in a hurry to buy the H50).

Thank you guys for your feedback, but the assassin might end up being a little more expensive. What would be the 2nd best choice, or, how would the assassin stack up when it's $60 compared to the other 3? Im just going to edit it to $60 because it might end up costing that much, if it's worth it at $60 then it'll be worth it at $45...
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