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Hello everyone and thanks in advance for any input!

I'm an avid computer user that is currently looking for the perfect mouse. I'll try to keep it short, but there's a much of information below so bare with me.


Past mice:
Logitech MX518
Logitech G400
Mionix Naos 5000 (Current)


Gripe with my current mouse (Naos 5000):
Mionix support and updates suck. I have had ghost movement on/off for the past year (twice a week). I've spammed them with e-mails and received one beta firmware after the other. No sharp version still.
Lift off issues (I do lift my mouse on occasion), as well as acceleration issues.
Grip is comfortable but not optimal. Pinky and ring finger touches my pad.


About me and my usage:
Palm grip, see pictures below
Games include Heroes of Newerth, Call of Duty-series, Unreal Tournament, Battlefield 3, Counter Strike: GO, etc
Photoshop, Video Vegas and general usage. Work ~8 hours every day.
Currently using the Propus 380 pad. Love it, but it's worn.


What I'm looking for:
No or toggled acceleration. I prefer to use a mouse that has 0 acceleration.
~ 2000 DPI preferred use, range is 1600-2800 (2800 DPI in some shooters, e.g. UT3, Quake).
Absolutely no jitter, ghost movement, lift-off issues or similar.
Set or adjustable weight around 130-175 grams (not overly important).
Fully configurable.
Back/forward, DPI adjust on-the-fly. Extra buttons a plus but not needed.
Durable scroll-wheel where the actuation is precise. Rubberised is a plus.
Not designed to look good, but to feel good.
No thumbad (thumb-numpad).


What I care less about:
Flashy lights
Brand
Colour
Etc.


Any suggestions very appreciated. Pictures below of my grip and hand size.

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Thanks again (in advance).
/Zoke
Edited by Zoke - 11/15/12 at 2:32pm
post #2 of 8
The ergonomics on that Mionix look pretty nice, shame about the tracking.

I don't think you are going to find a mouse that supports your entire hand when using a palm grip, other than something like the Contour Mouse, but even then, it doesn't seem to have specific support for your little finger, and I hear the sensor sucks for gaming.

With that type of grip, I would think about trying a DeathAdder, though it still doesn't offer full support for your entire hand, and there seems to be some debate over how good the ergonomics actually are. (I really like it - it's the best-fitting mouse I have found for my hand with a palm grip)

If you lift the mouse and want dedicated DPI buttons, you may want to wait for the updated 2013 model, which adds rubber side-grips and dedicated DPI buttons, and is probably due to launch soon. (note: Razer already have some "2013" models on the market, so it probably isn't that far off)

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fitbbs.pconline.com.cn%2Fdiy%2F15799112.html&act=url
post #3 of 8
I think Naos 5000 has one of the best support for ring finger and pinky among all gaming mouse. You may also look at QPad offerings.

You spoke of acceleration - do you find acceleration in your current Naos 5000?
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I have the new CM recon

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826570020&Tpk=cooler%20master%20recon

It has currently replaced my deathadder black edition as my mouse of choice. It really is an exceptionally good mouse. It is using the Avago 3090 sensor which is the best sensor for gaming, in that it has all the qualities a gaming mouse needs.
Edited by immakulate - 11/15/12 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by NotAgain View Post

With that type of grip, I would think about trying a DeathAdder, though it still doesn't offer full support for your entire hand, and there seems to be some debate over how good the ergonomics actually are. (I really like it - it's the best-fitting mouse I have found for my hand with a palm grip)
If you lift the mouse and want dedicated DPI buttons, you may want to wait for the updated 2013 model, which adds rubber side-grips and dedicated DPI buttons, and is probably due to launch soon. (note: Razer already have some "2013" models on the market, so it probably isn't that far off)
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fitbbs.pconline.com.cn%2Fdiy%2F15799112.html&act=url
I've been thinking about testing the DeathAdder for some time. I have picked one up and used it, (my girlfriend had one, she now uses a G400) and while it is an excellent mouse I feel that the plastic exterior on the DA is a bit, well, plastic. It has a fairly cheap feel too it, and while not a flaw in itself (who cares about feeling when the sensor and switch implementation is all that matters?) I've kept my distance mainly due to not wanting to support Razer and the double click issues some reportedly seem to have with it.

As it isn't a bad mouse I'll reconsider it. I'd probably pick up another G400 though before jumping on the DA-train.

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Originally Posted by raisinbun View Post

I think Naos 5000 has one of the best support for ring finger and pinky among all gaming mouse. You may also look at QPad offerings.
You spoke of acceleration - do you find acceleration in your current Naos 5000?
It has; the ergonomics are almost flawless. My only dislike is that my ring and pinky rubs along my pad which causes an annoyance (not every day, but on occasion). I palm-grip, but lightly. I like to slide and grip my mouse as I use it. I support the hand with my wrist and fingers (thumb and pinky grip around the mouse) while letting the palm itself gently rest on the mouse. This grip works good on the G400, but nearly perfect with the Naos 5000.

I do, but perhaps it's imagined? I feel a slight discomfort comparing it to the G400. There's something missing. It's just like the G400 is more precise and handles better while the Naos can miss the mark with a few pixels. It is very slight, but enough to cause disturbance. Comparing the Naos 5000 directly to the G400, the latter feels more like an extended tool of my finger tips while the former is a tool that I slide along, doing mostly what I command it to. I exaggerate, but it's hard to explain.

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I have the new CM recon
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826570020&Tpk=cooler%20master%20recon
It has currently replaced my deathadder black edition as my mouse of choice. It really is an exceptionally good mouse. It is using the Avago 3090 sensor which is the best sensor for gaming, in that it has all the qualities a gaming mouse needs.
Thanks, I'll look into it. I already removed the CM Storm Spawn from my list of possible choices, but the Recon might be better.



I've looked at mice a lot the past month, which basically resulted in me deciding on either another G400, or a SteelSeries Sensei, Zowie Gear AM, Naos 3200 or a Logitech G9x. I've kept my eye on the ASUS GX1000 as well as the newly released Tt eSports Level 10M. The former seems interesting, but the latter's design just seems off.
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I've been thinking about testing the DeathAdder for some time. I have picked one up and used it, (my girlfriend had one, she now uses a G400) and while it is an excellent mouse I feel that the plastic exterior on the DA is a bit, well, plastic. It has a fairly cheap feel too it, and while not a flaw in itself (who cares about feeling when the sensor and switch implementation is all that matters?) I've kept my distance mainly due to not wanting to support Razer and the double click issues some reportedly seem to have with it.
The Black Edition feels quite different from the standard one, and it looks like they are changing the materials with the "2013" model.

I didn't want another Razer mouse either, due to the Synapse situation (current DeathAdders can run the old driver) and having a DeathAdder previously that developed clicking problems, but I spent a lot of time trying out other mice, and ended up with another one, because there wasn't anything else that was nearly as comfortable to use for me.
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Originally Posted by Zoke View Post

As it isn't a bad mouse I'll reconsider it. I'd probably pick up another G400 though before jumping on the DA-train.
It has; the ergonomics are almost flawless. My only dislike is that my ring and pinky rubs along my pad which causes an annoyance (not every day, but on occasion). I palm-grip, but lightly. I like to slide and grip my mouse as I use it. I support the hand with my wrist and fingers (thumb and pinky grip around the mouse) while letting the palm itself gently rest on the mouse. This grip works good on the G400, but nearly perfect with the Naos 5000.
The G400 has a much flatter and lower profile than the DeathAdder though. For some people that's preferable, but I need something that puts my wrist at an angle to the desk (as your Mionix appears to) to prevent me from getting pain in my wrist from repeated use.


That CM Storm Recon does look quite interesting, but it seems to be an ambidextrous design rather than ergonomic, which means that it wouldn't work well for me, and may not be great for you either, if you're used to the ergonomic design of the Naos 5000. It looks a bit smaller than the DeathAdder as well - more claw than palm.
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Yes the recon is an ambidextrous mouse, however it's surprisingly well done. I notice no real discomfort at all. Coming from a deathadder I can say the feeling in terms of comfort is pretty much the same. I don't notice any hand cramping or wrist cramping when playing. It is slightly smaller then a DA in length, but not by much. If you have very large hands you may not be comfortable with it, but I can tell you right now going by your picture my hands are bigger and I have no discomfort whatsoever playing with this mouse.

As far as accidental miss clicks go for the thumb buttons on the other side of the mouse I have yet to actually miss click these buttons. The way the mouse is designed it seems to keep your fingers off of the buttons when palm/claw gripping the mouse. I play with a palm grip as well.


Anyways good luck finding a mouse to suit your needs, I hope whatever you decide you end up happy thumb.gif
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Considering the sensibility you're using (2000 cpi) you won't ever be needing more than 1 m/s maxspeed, since 400 cpi players need at most 4 m/s and you need 1/5 of that.
Therefore I reccommend the TTesports Saphira, which delievers like 2 m/s but on lower LOD ( I read you lift the mouse) and the shape is quite nice.
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