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Well, I'm bringing this up because we now have quite a gap between a Wildcard CPU, a  450, and a 560 -  or a 560ti and a 580 in our 2 categories they fold in. It's not a small gap either, up to 100k PPD! Do we enforce restrictions or not?

 
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Since yesterday I've been wondering if the nvidia beta 8057 wasn't totally skewing the TC points.

I have a non TC GTX 560 Ti running the beta flag and I've found getting the 8057 WU is really a crap shoot.
The PPD of the 8057 WU is around 110K but when it gets a 8018 WU I'm back to 19K.

After seeing the incredible points the D1 nVidia cards were getting from what I believe is the 8057 WUs I've been working with our Batgirl to run them also.

Maybe if you're in the nVidia cat you can run the beta flag and take your chances getting a 8057 but any other nVidia cards need to play it straight.
That's my first impression of the situation.
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Considering we let them go for this long before even bothering to do anything about it, it's pretty much pointless for this month.

 

Wasn't a decision like this made in regards to another category earlier this year.  I am personally all for folding only "normal" work units.  I don't know much about these 8057 units, from what I gather they are redone/beta units?

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Problem this time is the spread is 20-30k vs 200 to 250k. bigadv was more like 40 vs 90. I'm pretty sure people would quit just to fold 8057 while it lasts.

 
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I have a GTS450 running the 8057 WU's for the last few days. Its all I have gotten on it since putting the beta flag on. On the first day of running it I managed 56k alone on my GTS450. Yes the disparity is large between the various Wildcard hardware. The AMD processors can't pull those numbers because they cannot do those WU's.

While I do really enjoy doing these WU's for the points they are getting me in the TC and for the jump in my EOC stats, I have to admit its not particularly fair. And I want the TC to be a fair competition.

I say let it run for the rest of the month. Gather more info on how big a gap there is with these WU. Then Next month if we find that the beta flag is an issue make it not available for the TC folders.

By letting it run the rest of the month we can find out how big a difference there is. And we know that these WU are not going to be permanent.

OH NO!!! An 8018!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Personally, I'm going to say what I said when we had the talk about the bigadv WUs, let the folders fold. My nVidia guys are in 9th and 10th (nVidia and Wildcard) because they aren't folding these WUs, but that happens, its part of the TC. Even the Cat3 is dictated by what WUs you get. Its all luck of the draw and I say let it go and may the luckiest person/team win. I just think that if we start telling the nVidia guys they can't fold these WUs, they drop out of the TC until the betas are gone. I could be wrong, and it's only my opinion, but there it is. thumb.gif
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And this thread is obsolete now.  8057s came, skewed TC results for 2 months, and then disappeared.

 

Hopefully they get the new GPU units normalized sometime soon, they seem to be actively working on it, so we'll see.  We make have to look at re-evaluating the "Wildcard" hardware depending on where things end up on the GPUs.

 

I'm "only" getting 40k PPD on my 580 now that the 8057s have been turned off, or set to internal, but I wonder how that translates to the 460s, and 560s.  They may still end up too far ahead of the quad cores to be competitive.

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I'm "only" getting 40k PPD on my 580 now that the 8057s have been turned off, or set to internal, but I wonder how that translates to the 460s, and 560s.  They may still end up too far ahead of the quad cores to be competitive.

Here's my GTX 460:





My GTX 560 Ti is getting a PPD of 24K and TPF of 2 min 19 sec on a 8072 while this GTX 460 is only getting 16.5K PPD.
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Interesting.  The 460 seems to still be inline with the general wildcard rule of ~ 15k PPD.  That doesn't seem too out of line, what is the 460 clocked at?

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Interesting.  The 460 seems to still be inline with the general wildcard rule of ~ 15k PPD.  That doesn't seem too out of line, what is the 460 clocked at?

I believe it's the stock clocks for this card of
Core: 763 MHz
Shader: 1526 MHz
Memory: 1900 MHz
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