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Yeah OS use on the slower phones is fine but I found many apps that lagged on my 920. And you have a big music library? Forget being able to shuffle it all without your phone locking up for 10 seconds. There is plenty of room for development of applications, and while the OS should be more than fine with a 2GHz quad, the point IS to finally go blow for blow with the big android phones and always be up with the specs. I said an octocore version, not that it would be the only version. You wouldn't have to buy it.

8 cores won't help you load your music library faster, that's just not a parallel task. If it is slow, the problem most probably is memory read speed, not CPU.
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Yeah OS use on the slower phones is fine but I found many apps that lagged on my 920. And you have a big music library? Forget being able to shuffle it all without your phone locking up for 10 seconds. There is plenty of room for development of applications, and while the OS should be more than fine with a 2GHz quad, the point IS to finally go blow for blow with the big android phones and always be up with the specs. I said an octocore version, not that it would be the only version. You wouldn't have to buy it.
How much of a music library are we talking about? I can shuffle through about 14 gigs worth of music on a lowly 520 without it locking up.

The only purpose in having an octocore Lumia would be geek appeal. And that still wouldn't make any difference, since phone hardware geeks only buy Android anyway. You can't hack iOS or WP8, so there's no appeal in them for that crowd even if they had a 10- or 12-core CPU inside. WP has valid selling points without adding unnecessary hardware. It has the best cameras, the best imaging software, and in my experience, it's much more stable than Android and at least as stable as Apple. I've impressed several people by letting them play around with a 520 for a while, and then telling them that it's just a $60 bargain-basement model.
I'm talking nearly 29GB. The purpose of an octocore Lumia is geek appeal, that's what I'm saying. With rumor of dual boot nokias and even Lumia android phones, I think all options should be looked into. I don't see why Lumias have to be budget phones. Why can't they span the whole spectrum from cheap with good value to absolutely pointless?
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Yeah OS use on the slower phones is fine but I found many apps that lagged on my 920. And you have a big music library? Forget being able to shuffle it all without your phone locking up for 10 seconds. There is plenty of room for development of applications, and while the OS should be more than fine with a 2GHz quad, the point IS to finally go blow for blow with the big android phones and always be up with the specs. I said an octocore version, not that it would be the only version. You wouldn't have to buy it.

8 cores won't help you load your music library faster, that's just not a parallel task. If it is slow, the problem most probably is memory read speed, not CPU.

I never said 8 cores would fix my music library issue. I'm saying that a 1GHz dual isn't enough for WP8 to be used to its full potential. It was probably the storage speed too, not the RAM.
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It was probably the storage speed too, not the RAM.

That is what I meant smile.gif Storage classifies as memory as well smile.gif
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It was probably the storage speed too, not the RAM.

That is what I meant smile.gif Storage classifies as memory as well smile.gif
Fair enough!

Does anyone get what I'm trying to say? ha
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Fair enough!

Does anyone get what I'm trying to say? ha

Yes, don't worry smile.gif
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I'm talking nearly 29GB. The purpose of an octocore Lumia is geek appeal, that's what I'm saying. With rumor of dual boot nokias and even Lumia android phones, I think all options should be looked into. I don't see why Lumias have to be budget phones. Why can't they span the whole spectrum from cheap with good value to absolutely pointless?
I never said 8 cores would fix my music library issue. I'm saying that a 1GHz dual isn't enough for WP8 to be used to its full potential. It was probably the storage speed too, not the RAM.
I was thinking the same thing about the storage speed. I put all of mine on a Class 10 micro-SD card and it works fine. If a 520 could do it, I can't see why a 920 couldn't.

The only thing about geek appeal is that I still believe those types of people would choose Android regardless, because of its open-source nature and hence, its ability to be modded and hacked. Windows Phone is a closed system, like iOS, and therefore is of no interest to tinkerers and hackers.

Now, I can see one purpose in a Lumia with massive hardware overkill. Instead of creating a dual-boot phone, just create a compatibility layer for WP that allows Android apps to run. Heck, if they want to spend a little money, the work's already been done: Myriad Alien Dalvik. Personally, I don't give a flip about Android at all, and I think it's a software abomination that only succeeds on price and the ready availability of cheap, powerful hardware to overcome its inefficiency. But you can't ignore its massive ecosystem when trying to compete, even if (in my opinion) you have a far better product to offer.
     
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Fair enough!

Does anyone get what I'm trying to say? ha

I did notice a lag when I had a large music library on my 8x, but I had the xbox music pass so I ended up streaming a ton of my library, but now I ditched the pass and have been swapping albums out as I go. Just trying to imagine an octavo re in something as small as a phone as well, kinda amazing really
 
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Yeah OS use on the slower phones is fine but I found many apps that lagged on my 920. And you have a big music library? Forget being able to shuffle it all without your phone locking up for 10 seconds. There is plenty of room for development of applications, and while the OS should be more than fine with a 2GHz quad, the point IS to finally go blow for blow with the big android phones and always be up with the specs. I said an octocore version, not that it would be the only version. You wouldn't have to buy it.

From what I've seen, Lumia 920 and lower have a slower speed when it comes to loading large datasets (at least from an SQL CE database and sqlite performance is worse). I made an offline transit app for my city and it took me quite some time to find a solution that wouldn't feel "laggy". Maybe it's the cpu, but I don't think so; I have also a Lumia 520 and the performance are about the same (maybe the animations aren't as smooth), which I think it's more something that has to do with the I/O.

Also, from my experience, an app can feel quite sluggish if you don't know what you're doing with XAML/C# and WP8 ( like me tongue.gif ).
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From what I've seen, Lumia 920 and lower have a slower speed when it comes to loading large datasets (at least from an SQL CE database and sqlite performance is worse). I made an offline transit app for my city and it took me quite some time to find a solution that wouldn't feel "laggy". Maybe it's the cpu, but I don't think so; I have also a Lumia 520 and the performance are about the same (maybe the animations aren't as smooth), which I think it's more something that has to do with the I/O.

Also, from my experience, an app can feel quite sluggish if you don't know what you're doing with XAML/C# and WP8 ( like me tongue.gif ).

If you want to send me code snippets I'll see if anything jumps out at me.
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If you want to send me code snippets I'll see if anything jumps out at me.

Oh, thanks, but I think I've figured it. Was just saying that it's easy to make a sluggish app (could be just me though) when you have to load a lot of data smile.gif
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