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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

Gapps are offered free with every single custom ROM known to man.
Wanna bet?

I was talking about carriers, the people who require a license to use Google Apps as a part of the OHA, not the seperate forks that are not included with custom roms and have to be downloaded seperately (for the most part).

I don't bet, even on sure things.

Or the ROMs that come with them built in. Or every single one of them being free in the Play store or...

It's a good thing you don't bet on sure things; you're on the wrong side.
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post #112 of 124
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Or the ROMs that come with them built in. Or every single one of them being free in the Play store or...
It's a good thing you don't bet on sure things; you're on the wrong side.

"most"

The roms I've played with I've had to download and side load the .apks (i.e the Play Store itself).

So, there. tongue.gif

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/wiki/Latest_Version/Google_Apps
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Google Apps contain the proprietary Google applications that come pre-installed with most android devices. Due to licensing restrictions, these apps cannot come pre-installed with CyanogenMod and must be installed separately. CyanogenMod does not require Google Apps to function properly, however, to take full advantage of the Android system, Google Apps are recommended.
These apps include Gmail, Maps, and the Android Market, just to name a few. More information can be found here: Google for Android

Arrogance only works when you are correct.
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I would too. ATT still charges me $25/month for 2GB of the slowest "4G" man has ever known.

Man that is nothing, for that price I don't even have internet mad.gif

In canada you don't have internutz under 45$/month and that is for less than 1 GB!!! 65$/month for 2GB...!

Name-display costs 6$/month JUST TO DISPLAY A NAME thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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post #114 of 124
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Or the ROMs that come with them built in. Or every single one of them being free in the Play store or...
It's a good thing you don't bet on sure things; you're on the wrong side.

"most"

The roms I've played with I've had to download and side load the .apks (i.e the Play Store itself).

So, there. tongue.gif

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/wiki/Latest_Version/Google_Apps
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Google Apps contain the proprietary Google applications that come pre-installed with most android devices. Due to licensing restrictions, these apps cannot come pre-installed with CyanogenMod and must be installed separately. CyanogenMod does not require Google Apps to function properly, however, to take full advantage of the Android system, Google Apps are recommended.
These apps include Gmail, Maps, and the Android Market, just to name a few. More information can be found here: Google for Android

Arrogance only works when you are correct.

Cool. Mine come built into the ROM.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1450962

Also, others that don't, such as JellyTime, have you load them all via another .zip file while you happen to be in recovery:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778202
http://goo.im/gapps/gapps-jb-20121011-signed.zip

CM is just covering their ass. That doesn't even come close to making you right.

Also, name a non-free Google app that comes on phones. Please.
Edited by KyadCK - 11/16/12 at 4:30pm
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Cool. Mine come built into the ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1450962
Also, others that don't, such as JellyTime, have you load them all via another .zip file while you happen to be in recovery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778202
http://goo.im/gapps/gapps-jb-20121011-signed.zip
CM is just covering their ass. That doesn't even come close to making you right.
Also, name a non-free Google app that comes on phones. Please.

I never stated that it would cost you (the user) money.

I just said the applications were not free, i.e someone was paying for them.

http://www.theverge.com/2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/

There may be no immediate cost for licensing (that I can find), but there is costs to maintain compatibility and dealing with google can be expensive.
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1) Google doesn't have a lot of fiber. The deal they worked out in the one city uses mostly fiber that the city owns. Google doesn't really own a lot of fiber.
I thought I read that Google has bought up a ton of dark fiber all over the U.S. awhile ago? It could of been BS, though.
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2) They don't have anything up their sleeve as far as wireless spectrum goes.
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Unless they buy/partner with a company that already owns spectrum.

Yeah but isn't that what they want to do according to the articles surfacing on this? Partner with Dish? That article you posted says the FCC blocked Dish from converting their spectrum so you're right it must be a pain in the ass working with the FCC over this stuff. The $$$ numbers being thrown around are insane. Man that is some scrilla.
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I thought I read that Google has bought up a ton of dark fiber all over the U.S. awhile ago? It could of been BS, though.

Yeah, they did start buying fiber back in 2005, and it is a fair amount, but the amount needed to give Verizon or AT&T a run for their money would be massive. The US is just an incredibly HUGE place. There are over 4 million miles of road in the US. Even if you only had to have fiber on a quarter of that to allow peoples homes to be connected, that would be many times what they have reportedly bought up (which amounts to between 6-8,000 miles.
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If this is true they would/should have bought T-mobile/MetroPCS and reinforce it with their Google Fiber Service.

Then the following options would be available:
1, Require all phones built for T-mobile have n-band chips that support Tmobile as well as the world wide cellular spectrum (reduces phone development/deployment costs, as well as Service Q&A). Furthermore they could partner with Sprint with the same goal. I am aware cross-deployment between CDMA and AWS/GSM is expensive/space intensive due to the number of bands and logic required, especially if you also require "world phone" spec. Still, they'd both benefit from the standard, and would still allow carrier specialization (like what happens with the Galaxy phones).

2, T-Googile would be able to more effectively persue the unlocked/lower cost model they initially set out to achieve with the Nexus phones, and continue to do today. After all, that's part of why the Nexus 4 doesn't have "4G/LTE" (even though its baseband radio does support at least some 4G bands, physically). for example, they could make it more apparent what the REAL cost of the phone is. people these days think phones are $150 to $300, not the $500-$750 they actually cost new. They could then employ a variety of methods to either make it more clear that your contract is essentially a 2 year loan + a service contract, or they could redefine the service contract entirely. Either way they could expose the sticker shock/real cost, and then to mitigate the backlash say "but it's ok, there's Google Nexus devices that (like the recently launched Nexus 4) are among the best out there, on one of the major leading networks, but without contract, cost roughly what you expect a phone to cost. No strings attached." and still have market penetration.

3, Embed Google Wallet into the service, and use the above idea to enable Google "Loans." buy a phone, get a loan. View/manage your APR, down payment, monthly pay in, etc etc (not any loan, just a small personal loan specifically for your phone in place of the obtuse subsidy method in place today). they could also much more aggressively pursue the mobile payments infrastructure and systems if they have a carrier behind them. They would then have an "in" with retail/storefront businesses (through either providing businesses with T-Googile phones, or through the mass deployment of T-Googile wifi hotspots) to encourage them to use and promote the service, and promote a standard and advertising campaign to educate users on how to utilize the technology to smooth the transition.

4, Google TV would have a massive edge. At home or on the phone, Google TV. This would make their partnerships with content creators and studios (HBO, Showtime, etc) perhaps go much smoother, by offering them a massive market, AND google analytics (analytics has been a key linchpin for "internet tv" and why businesses hate torrents. Can't track ad reach and revenues or poll how successful a show is). Obviously also provides a massive opportunity for Google's on Ad division.

5, I just like saying T-Googile.

6, Oh, almost forget. They can swiftly kick the carrier bs out the door. No more Verizon or ATT putting crap on your phone that doesn't belong and bogs it down, no more waiting months for updates that in reality have no good reason for taking so long beyond simply trying to force you into buying a new phone isntead of an upgrade.
Edited by TheSprunk - 11/17/12 at 6:12pm
    
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Or they could offer to buy out a carrier that, imo, is struggling to keep up with other service providers...sprint. With Google's cash backing them, they could get Sprint speeds where they need to be. And I've read their "Vision network" plans but I doubt they will pull it off.
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Don't want. Stay away.

so if i dont want you in the world, you would magically disappear and stay away?
 
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