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I'm looking into building a fast server build with high speed network transfer rates for NAS.

Components:
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Motherboard: Asus P8C WS
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1245V2
RAM: Kingston Technology ValueRAM 8GB
PSU: Corsair Enthusiast Series 650W
Optical Drive: LG 24X DVD+/-RW
Raid Controller: LSI SAS 9211-8i
SATA Cable: SATA Multi-lane Cable (x2)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4
Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H100i
Network Card: Intel Gigabit CT PCI-E (x3 one for the server, two for my other computers)
Other Network Equipment: Netgear 24-port Gigabit Smart Switch
OS SSD: Kingston SSDNow V+200 120GB (was thinking about a second one to cache the HDD's)
HDD: Western Digital Red 3 TB (x3 may add more over time to cut down cost)
OS: Windows Home Server 2011

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Hardware RAID 5 (RAID 6 with decreased performance-increased reliability?)

Gigabit network setup for fast file transfering.

My intentions with this build is to first create a gigabit network so I can have high speeds when transferring data to and from the server. I also want to allow for easy and fast web browsing and application use (such as Microsoft Office) on my projector, no games (preferably with on-board GPU). Have easy incremental daily backups on my two computers with roughly 3TB of data, and allow for quick access to storage. Contain reliable hardware that can run 24/7. Possibly stream videos from the server.

Also, I'm fairly inexperienced and don't know very much about building servers, raid arrays, setting up a gigabit/s network etc. I would like input and advice on if any of my components are incompatible/overkill for my intended use of the server (to save money).

Thanks.
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If this is going to be for file serving and backups, the CPU and Mobo will be overkill, maybe downgrade to a Core i3 and preferable another mobo so you can't be squeezed on your HDD's budget
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If this is going to be for file serving and backups, the CPU and Mobo will be overkill, maybe downgrade to a Core i3 and preferable another mobo so you can't be squeezed on your HDD's budget

this will do the job fine.. i am not sure why you would want to connect 2 computers directly to the NAS, i would connect the server to the switch and the 2 computers to the switch as well!
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@OP

LSI 9211-8i supports RAID levels 0, 1 and 10. It does not support RAID 5 or RAID 6. For those levels, you will need a far more expensive controller.

As it is, since you are running Windows Home Server, you may as well use the HBA as a plain controller and make use of the storage pooling and duplication facilities in WHS. However, there are alternatives such as UnRAID, FlexRAID, Amahi Home Server and Open Media Vault.

I also have to agree with vpadro that the motherboard and CPU won't give you much value for the use you will put them to. I'd recommend an i3 and something like an ASUS P8Z77-M. If you want more than 8 drives, you could always add a SAS Expander.
Edited by parityboy - 11/16/12 at 6:14am
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this will do the job fine.. i am not sure why you would want to connect 2 computers directly to the NAS, i would connect the server to the switch and the 2 computers to the switch as well!

I wasn't planning on directly connecting the server to my two PC's. I thought my sig rig mobo didn't have LAN supporting 1gbps, but apparently it does. My other computers LAN went out, so I'll probably need two.
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If this is going to be for file serving and backups, the CPU and Mobo will be overkill, maybe downgrade to a Core i3 and preferable another mobo so you can't be squeezed on your HDD's budget
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@OP
LSI 9211-8i supports RAID levels 0, 1 and 10. It does not support RAID 5 or RAID 6. For those levels, you will need a far more expensive controller.
As it is, since you are running Windows Home Server, you may as well use the HBA as a plain controller and make use of the storage pooling and duplication facilities in WHS. However, there are alternatives such as UnRAID, FlexRAID, Amahi Home Server and Open Media Vault.
I also have to agree with vpadro that the motherboard and CPU won't give you much value for the use you will put them to. I'd recommend an i3 and something like an ASUS P8Z77-M. If you want more than 8 drives, you could always add a SAS Expander.

Oh okay, thanks for letting me know that. I was looking at the mobo you linked but was sort of turned off by the bad reviews. Does it have any problems? If it is a good mobo, I could get the i3-3225 which means I could also cut down on the cooling, and it's way cheaper than a Xeon processor. I don't believe the ASUS P8Z77-M has ECC memory support, but I'm not sure if that really matters. Also, how important is it to have a RAID controller? You said RAID 5/6 controllers are way more expensive, so I'm not sure if it's worth it. One more thing, is caching the HDD's with an SSD a good idea?

I cut down about $700 from the build by changing the components you recommended as well.
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I will choose another SSD, 60GB for caching is more than enough for your planned scenario, also, if you're willing to use RAID5/6 you'd better go the Dell PERC 6/i route, those are great and inexpensive, as far as ECC is really not required on your set up, won't do no harm though, besides the ECC that you required will be included on the RAID Controller, you can easily cut down another $150 on this route and expend it on another HDD.
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I will choose another SSD, 60GB for caching is more than enough for your planned scenario, also, if you're willing to use RAID5/6 you'd better go the Dell PERC 6/i route, those are great and inexpensive, as far as ECC is really not required on your set up, won't do no harm though, besides the ECC that you required will be included on the RAID Controller, you can easily cut down another $150 on this route and expend it on another HDD.

this a good idea tho i beleive dell perc6/i's dont support 3TB drives, but the OP could always look at 4 x2TB drives from this savings smile.gif
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You're right, totally miss that, go for the LSI HBA or downgrade to 2TB Drives. smile.gif
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You're right, totally miss that, go for the LSI HBA or downgrade to 2TB Drives. smile.gif
I would probably rather go with the LSI HBA and 3TB drives. I know there's multiple versions, so which variation should I get?

http://www.lsi.com/channel/products/storagecomponents/Pages/HBAs.aspx
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@OP

I'll be honest, I know very little about the board I linked. When you say bad reviews, can you link one of them? Be careful of the context in which the review is conducted; the board is targeted at a desktop machine, not a server so it will be reviewed in that context.

Since what you're looking for is a consumer board which will be used as a server, why not pick up something like an ASUS P8H77-M? It can use the built-in graphics found in i3 and i5 processors, so you'll save yourself a few coins and a few Watts. If you want to save yourself even more money, hit eBay and look for the equivalent H55- or H67-based boards from ASUS or Gigabyte.

As for caching the hard drives will an SSD, unless you're going to run a server that's going to be continuously hit from multiple clients, it's probably not worth it.
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