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To be honest, from this and your last thread, you seem to not want anything that's currently available (stock) and don't seem to have the motive to customize them to your needs... but have you even tried making something the way you want?

I honestly don't leave anything stock, can't stand any of them as is stock, one of the main reasons I use Linux in fact, because I can make it what I want.
post #12 of 22
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To be honest, from this and your last thread, you seem to not want anything that's currently available (stock) and don't seem to have the motive to customize them to your needs... but have you even tried making something the way you want?

I honestly don't leave anything stock, can't stand any of them as is stock, one of the main reasons I use Linux in fact, because I can make it what I want.

I have to agree.. Either you want minimal or you don't. You can't want barebones and out of the box at the same time. You want no junk software yet want to install from dvd. Linux is great but its not magic
post #13 of 22
To the gnome 3 thing I quite like it, only thing I don't like is ram use, dependent packages and possable (newer version) use of systemd only software, which limits it from things outside of linux.
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by particleman72 View Post

I would say gnome 3 is far from garbage.
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To be honest, from this and your last thread, you seem to not want anything that's currently available (stock) and don't seem to have the motive to customize them to your needs... but have you even tried making something the way you want?
I honestly don't leave anything stock, can't stand any of them as is stock, one of the main reasons I use Linux in fact, because I can make it what I want.
I used Openbox + bmpanel2 on my last computer (with F16) with gnome-do for launching software, but it didn't really fit my workflow the way I set it up and I got my new computer (and installed Ubuntu) before I got around to doing any more tweaks (plus I really want tiling/window snapping). I should clear this out, though, I don't mind customising things as such. I'm just frustrated that almost all distros have been moving away from what I consider sane defaults and what they had around when I first got into Linux (I've previously said that the thing I loved about Linux is it's more or less ready to use from fresh install, customising is great but that's not what really got me into it). I do like customising and tweaking my system, but I don't like having to do it - I want a usable default, something that I can just get on with and use whenever I don't have the time and patience to be doing any fancy customisation. And at the time of my last rant I very much had a such time, I really just needed to get crap done.
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I have to agree.. Either you want minimal or you don't. You can't want barebones and out of the box at the same time. You want no junk software yet want to install from dvd. Linux is great but its not magic
Honestly now, what's with this "barebones" or "minimal" thing? I can't once recall having said I need barebones/minimal and I already said that I don't mind a "heavy" DE. And I don't think I once said anything about wanting "no junk", by which I assume you mean excess software that I don't need (since no amount of just customising will fix poor quality).

And in case of every distro installable from DVD they've let me choose the software I want installed, so I really don't see how getting junk software and installing from DVD are related anyway, I'm not the "tick all the checkboxes" type.
post #15 of 22
I use plan on Deebian for VBox and never had any problems. Then again I don't want/need anything fancy.
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I want a usable default, something that I can just get on with and use whenever I don't have the time and patience to be doing any fancy customisation. And at the time of my last rant I very much had a such time, I really just needed to get crap done.

Then install a minimal system, set it up, and pack it into an ISO so that any time you may need a usable fresh install, you'll have your own set-up ready to go at any time.

Not like customizing it takes much time, to get tiling/snapping in any wm/de is pretty simple and takes less than 5 minutes, along with setting up themes/icons and any configuration files for the wm of choice. And once it's done then you're done and don't have to bother with it any more.
post #17 of 22
How long have you used gnome shell? What about it don't you like?
post #18 of 22
This link will show you a map of what current and previous versions of linux are based off of what. You should be able to see all the versions that are close to what you are looking for. That way you will have a good idea on what could be a potential good distro to try.
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post #19 of 22
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Not like customizing it takes much time, to get tiling/snapping in any wm/de is pretty simple and takes less than 5 minutes, along with setting up themes/icons and any configuration files for the wm of choice. And once it's done then you're done and don't have to bother with it any more.
Maybe if you know what you're doing and know exactly what you want... there's no way I could start with, say, a full Debian installation and choose a window manager, panel and other software that I need to set up my own DE and have them all configured to my liking in less than several hours, polishing the setup is going to take even longer. Even though I can tell when I can work in an environment, I frequently fail to miss some little details of what exactly I like about it and what makes it useful (I don't do UI/X design), result of which is an environment that seems good at the start but as I use it, I grow progressively unhappier with it over the days and when I finally after a week or several get fed up with it, it's back to google and a tweaking session which goes on for another few hours.
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How long have you used gnome shell? What about it don't you like?
Used it full time for about half a year with F15 (soon after it came out), and I've been using it on and off now on Ubuntu for the last couple of months. There are quite a few things I don't like about it - clicking an application icon switches to an existing instance instead of launching a new one (on the same workspace that's still fair enough even though I still don't like it, but when it by default switches to another workspace on which I have completely unrelated work it just drives me crazy), extensions frequently break after updating (and apparently even that is still in beta), the notification bar at the bottom is annoying (I frequently hit the corner by accident, causing it to pop up, and sometimes it's got a huge list icons for notifications for events that I don't give a hoot about but can't dismiss all at once), it's still an ass on multiple monitors (workspace previews for example only show primary desktop), and there are numerous annoying customisability issues (such as no easy way to get rid of the accessibility icon for which I have absolutely no use). Those are the ones off the top of my head - I'm fairly certain that if I now went and used it for a bit I could come up with plenty more.

Anyway, I've got Mageia 2, Scientific Linux and LMDE install media on me... I probably won't be needing any OS suggestions any more. I'm going to try out some "exotic" WMs (xmonad to start off) on my Ubuntu installation before I wipe the setup.
post #20 of 22
Never had those issues. I removed the universal access icon by commenting out

//'a11y': imports.ui.status.accessibility.ATIndicator,

I also right click and choose new window so i don't change work spaces. I like the message bar so I have not removed it but It can be removed, and I have never had an extension break. Also I dont use multi monitors so I cant speak on that. But it sounds like we have had totally different experiences.
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