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post #21 of 41
11/17/12 at 11:01am
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I found this to be interesting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHHI2Lk79cY&NR=1&feature=endscreen

Yes same as Cool Labs Liquid Pro you can not use it on aluminum ..
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11/17/12 at 1:32pm
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so it would probably just be easier to use the dielectric grease then
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post #23 of 41
11/17/12 at 1:42pm
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so it would probably just be easier to use the dielectric grease then

Near all Heatsinks are made from cooper / nickle plated cooper these days.

I use this stuff on My die ans my IHS best stuff.
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11/17/12 at 1:44pm
o.o Arctic 5 Silver Compound. Why not just spend the 11 bucks xD. Unless you want to go all experimental, then it would make sense.
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post #25 of 41
11/17/12 at 1:58pm
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Near all Heatsinks are made from cooper / nickle plated cooper these days.
I use this stuff on My die ans my IHS best stuff.

I have never heard of "cooper" before tongue.gif

Yes you are correct, most coolers use Copper in their heat sink designs, however it is generally not solid copper, it is generally coated with an alloy. On coolers that do not use coated surfaces, for instance, on HDT coolers, the heat pipes are constructed with copper however the material that surrounds the heat pipes is an alloy. If for some reason he were to use gallium and it were to come in contact with the alloy that surrounds the copper, it could cause some issues. This is clearly all speculation, but none the less, the risks outweigh the gains.
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post #26 of 41
11/17/12 at 2:31pm
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I have never heard of "cooper" before tongue.gif
Yes you are correct, most coolers use Copper in their heat sink designs, however it is generally not solid copper, it is generally coated with an alloy. On coolers that do not use coated surfaces, for instance, on HDT coolers, the heat pipes are constructed with copper however the material that surrounds the heat pipes is an alloy. If for some reason he were to use gallium and it were to come in contact with the alloy that surrounds the copper, it could cause some issues. This is clearly all speculation, but none the less, the risks outweigh the gains.

Cool Labs Liquid Pro Has been widely Used Since 2008.. And is well known to be the very best thermal transfer stuff out there.
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11/17/12 at 3:02pm
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Cool Labs Liquid Pro Has been widely Used Since 2008.. And is well known to be the very best thermal transfer stuff out there. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

First of all, your comment is opinion, not fact. Second of all, I have not said anything about "Cool Labs Liquid Pro", I have only mentioned Gallium as it pertains to the topic at hand. The OP was looking for a base for his homemade TIM, and Gallium was one of the suggested elements. You were the one that mentioned your favorite TIM, not me.
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11/17/12 at 3:43pm
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First of all, your comment is opinion, not fact. Second of all, I have not said anything about "Cool Labs Liquid Pro", I have only mentioned Gallium as it pertains to the topic at hand. The OP was looking for a base for his homemade TIM, and Gallium was one of the suggested elements. You were the one that mentioned your favorite TIM, not me.

The main thing in Liquid pro which is considered The best tim out there is Gallium .....
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11/17/12 at 4:02pm
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The main thing in Liquid pro which is considered The best tim out there is Gallium .....

While it may be part of the compound that they use for this TIM, it is not pure Gallium. Its an alloy, which means it is mixed with other metal(s).

Again, saying it is the best TIM is opinion, not fact. I disagree, my opinion is that it may have a good thermal conductivity, but it also bonds to the surface of the heat sink and IHS, and is electrically conductive. So not only is it a PITA to remove, but it could potentially short out your CPU if too much is applied. It also requires a 48 hour cure time. Liquid metal pro also has the possibility of voiding your CPU warranty as you need to use metal polish to remove the compound, which will remove the characters printed on the IHS. All that nonsense for one degree Celsius cooler than MX-4 which is not electrically conductive, is easy to clean off, and has no cure time and has no possibility of voiding your warranty.

So while you keep saying its the best TIM ever, I have to disagree with you. While you may consider it to be the best, that does not make your opinion a fact.

Here is the source from where I got my claim of 1 degree cooler in comparison of MX-4 to liquid metal pro.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274824-29-thermal-compound-roundup-2011

Once again, I will restate what I have already said. My statement was about pure Gallium not an alloy derived from Gallium that is used in Liquid Metal Pro.
Edited by Mattb2e - 11/17/12 at 4:07pm
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11/17/12 at 4:10pm
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While it may be part of the compound that they use for this TIM, it is not pure Gallium. Its an alloy, which means it is mixed with other metal(s).
Again, saying it is the best TIM is opinion, not fact. I disagree, my opinion is that it may have a good thermal conductivity, but it also bonds to the surface of the heat sink and IHS, and is electrically conductive. So not only is it a PITA to remove, but it could potentially short out your CPU if too much is applied. It also requires a 48 hour cure time. All that nonsense for one degree Celsius cooler than MX-4 which is not electrically conductive, is easy to clean off, and has no cure time.
So while you keep saying its the best TIM ever, I have to disagree with you. While you may consider it to be the best, that does not make your opinion a fact.
Here is the source from where I got my claim of 1 degree cooler in comparison of MX-4 to liquid metal pro.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274824-29-thermal-compound-roundup-2011
Once again, I will restate what I have already said. My statement was about pure Gallium not an alloy derived from Gallium that is used in Liquid Metal Pro.

Well we have a Huge Results pool over on IB section and LP beating Mx-4 by 5 c down the line..

The op is adding other metals to his " Custom Tim "

Using a more pure metal is going to work better then a grease..

I also have results of 10c temp drops using Liquid metal pro On Kepler Gpus..

So if Liquid Metal pro is beyond the users Skill level.. I will suggest Liquid Metal Ultra as the 2nd best.

I have about 20 Tubes of MX-4 it is what i use on Customer Systems.. And it does lose on my Cpu by 5c to LP....

I Also do not need to read somebody else's results as i have done all this myself wink.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1315215/polished-galaxy-gtx-680-4gb-heatsink-cool-labs-liquid-pro-tim/0_20
Edited by Hokies83 - 11/17/12 at 4:13pm
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