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Hey, bud? This was introduced in Vista.

Yeah I've noticed a lot of the Windows 8 fanboys are discovering features that have been in Windows for quite some time now. Maybe that is why they think it is an upgrade rolleyes.gif
    
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Yeah I've noticed a lot of the Windows 8 fanboys are discovering features that have been in Windows for quite some time now. Maybe that is why they think it is an upgrade rolleyes.gif

More like pointing out for the most part Windows 8 is like Windows 7... With the exception of the loss of jumplists in the start menu and the fact that it takes up the entire screen, most of the start screen functions are the exact same.

Also, stop stating subjective opinions as objective facts, cause they're not.
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this is true, why else do Macbooks win all the consumer polls and and get the best reviews? It's hard not win by default when non-Apple PC makers are...*gulp* DELL and HP (name 1 product that you'd want to own by them? Exactly you can't)

the Dell XPS laptops are decent.

Also the reason Apple wins consumer polls is because they look cool. and people want to be accepted and look cool.

They have the best trackpad out of every laptop I know of, amazing screens and decent build quality. Truth be told, if I have to put $2k down on a laptop I'd go for a Macbook Pro.

I'd get a Precision. At least then I'd get an i7, 16GB, and a FirePro or Quadro out of my two grand.

I mean sheesh, I'm looking at the MacBookPro line up... $2000 gets you a 2.5Ghz i5 (dual core), 8GB of 1600, a 256GB SSD (which is not replaceable), and you're stuck on HD4000. On a 13-inch laptop.

I'd want the 15", it's like $2,500 where I live for what I want in one.
2.3GHz quad core, 8GB DDR3, 256GB SSD, thin as all hell, GT650M, retina display and the features Apple has over other OEMs suhc as the Magsafe2 power adapter, the best trackpad, arguably one of the best keyboards, etc. All the little stuff makes it worth it for me.

The power adapter is nice. Seconded only by dell in my opinion, and that's because you can use a Dell charger from 15 years ago for all it matters with your current laptop as long as it makes enough wattage.

Yeah, that's useful. I have tonnes of spare power adapters for many different brands just from taking friends and families dead laptops for parts, I've also got a box literally full of old laptop CPUs.
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I think it's borderline ridiculous on how most people complain about the new UI. Can someone please explain to me what's wrong with it? I've been using Windows 8 since release preview (now I have the Pro), and I don't see anything wrong with it. I don't even have a touch monitor.

Windows 8 is a definite upgrade from Windows 7. If you don't like the Metro Windows 8 Store apps, then you don't even have to use them. The new start menu on the other hand can actually be quicker than the previous one in terms of accessing content. Want to go to your Control Panel? Hit the Windows key on your keyboard then type C-O- -oh look control panel's right in your face already. Now press enter. There you go. Wasn't that easy?

What's that? The Run command? Then type run at the damn start screen or just hit Windows+R. Seriously, all this hate is getting ridiculous.

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Metro is horrible to use as someone who is used to an optimized start menu, it's slower and impacts productivity drastically. That's why I don't want W8 on my desktop, it's missing jump lists and requires you to move your mouse more for the same thing, so no, it isn't faster.

If I want to go to the control panel, I can do exactly that in Windows 7 too...Or if I'm using the mouse at the time I can have the shortcut right there, same with Run. Sometimes your hand is on the mouse in which case having the shortcut on your start menu is a bit quicker. All the hate of people who dislike Metro is getting even more ridiculous, considering most of the people who are "hating" on Windows 8 would just like a 1st party option of the classic menu while the people arguing that we should all just use Metro are completely ignoring that GUIs are very subjective things, what works for you doesn't work for me and visa versa.
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They have the best trackpad out of every laptop I know of, amazing screens and decent build quality. Truth be told, if I have to put $2k down on a laptop I'd go for a Macbook Pro.
Right, but only because it's cool. thumb.gif

Any secondary benefits are purely coincidental.

Not really, I just use whatever works best for me, I couldn't care less if it's cool or not, otherwise I'd be rocking an iPhone 5 instead of a Galaxy S II. (Looking at an S IV or something when its out, something with a 5" 1080p screen as both physical size and screen quality are important to me)
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Remind me how many consumer desktops come with touch screens to efficiently use this touch screen oriented OS.
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why do you guys keep going on about desktops when the vast majority PC sales are laptops? You guys are now being willfully ignorant

And there are touchscreen laptops now, allot of windows 8 laptops have them now.

How many businesses use laptops exclusively? How many workstations? The desktop market has reduced, yes, but for the most part is still just as big if not bigger as laptops when you take all markets and not just consumers into account.

You're being willfully ignorant by ignoring all of the sectors where it's literally impossible to use a laptop, or would be ridiculously worse compared to a desktop...For example, the stock market, CAD workers, etc.
    
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More like pointing out for the most part Windows 8 is like Windows 7... With the exception of the loss of jumplists in the start menu and the fact that it takes up the entire screen, most of the start screen functions are the exact same.
Also, stop stating subjective opinions as objective facts, cause they're not.
Someone is mad, lol so if Windows 8 is really close to windows 7, why even upgrade? Pick one or the other you can't have both.
    
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this is true, why else do Macbooks win all the consumer polls and and get the best reviews? It's hard not win by default when non-Apple PC makers are...*gulp* DELL and HP (name 1 product that you'd want to own by them? Exactly you can't)

dell makes good monitors so that's one product
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=224-9949&~ck=dellSearch&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=1
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this is the main reason i believe windows 8 sales are disappointing. most people are very content with what windows 7 has to offer.
another thing is piracy. millions of windows 8 downloads through torrent sites are a major concern for microsoft.
blaming the vendors and economy is wrong as recent call of duty black ops 2 sales records are an example tongue.gif
Actually Windows 8 can't be easily "cracked". Windows 8 introduces Microsoft's 3.0 activation model. With version 2 used in Windows 7, you could inject a slic before windows boots to fool it into thinking its activated. With Windows 8 the only way to activate Windows is over a internet connection. Not only that but activation certificates are unique, changing a piece of hardware in your machine will require reactivation. As the activation model is tied to the hardware in your machine. This makes no two activation certificates alike. The new activation model also uses unique keys for every OEM machine. Windows 8 is activated separately with its own unique OEM key, instead of a master key (OEM keys are broken down from the MAC key). To put it in laymans terms, a viable permanent "cracking" solution for Windows 8 still hasn't been accomplished yet. The majority of people who have Windows 8 activated, is because of Microsoft's screw ups. Since you can backup your activation certificate, and restore it after a re-install to have a activated Windows without repeating the activation process. A prime example of Microsoft's "screw ups" is the Media Center keys. The keys they were giving away for a free copy of Media Center, for whatever period of time (I think 6-12 months then you had to buy it). These keys actually activated Windows 8 Pro copies, if your OS wasn't already activated. Basically Microsoft giving out free copies of Windows 8 Pro.
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this is the main reason i believe windows 8 sales are disappointing. most people are very content with what windows 7 has to offer.
another thing is piracy. millions of windows 8 downloads through torrent sites are a major concern for microsoft.
blaming the vendors and economy is wrong as recent call of duty black ops 2 sales records are an example tongue.gif
Actually Windows 8 can't be easily "cracked". Windows 8 introduces Microsoft's 3.0 activation model. With version 2 used in Windows 7, you could inject a slic before windows boots to fool it into thinking its activated. With Windows 8 the only way to activate Windows is over a internet connection. Not only that but activation certificates are unique, changing a piece of hardware in your machine will require reactivation. As the activation model is tied to the hardware in your machine. This makes no two activation certificates alike. The new activation model also uses unique keys for every OEM machine. Windows 8 is activated separately with its own unique OEM key, instead of a master key (OEM keys are broken down from the MAC key). To put it in laymans terms, a viable permanent "cracking" solution for Windows 8 still hasn't been accomplished yet. The majority of people who have Windows 8 activated, is because of Microsoft's screw ups. Since you can backup your activation certificate, and restore it after a re-install to have a activated Windows without repeating the activation process. A prime example of Microsoft's "screw ups" is the Media Center keys. The keys they were giving away for a free copy of Media Center, for whatever period of time (I think 6-12 months then you had to buy it). These keys actually activated Windows 8 Pro copies, if your OS wasn't already activated. Basically Microsoft giving out free copies of Windows 8.

Aww, it's cute that you think that, but it isn't true. I have swapped my CPU, my RAM, and my GPUs with this install.

There is only one piece of hardware Windows 8 cares about: Your motherboard.

Just like every other Windows version.
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Aww, it's cute that you think that, but it isn't true. I have swapped my CPU, my RAM, and my GPUs with this install.
There is only one piece of hardware Windows 8 cares about: Your motherboard.
Just like every other Windows version.
Wrong, if any hardware is changed except for external USB devices, and internal expansion cards (PCIe, PCI, SATA) then the OEM has to re-report to M$ a new hardware hash with the key or activation will fail.
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Someone is mad, lol so if Windows 8 is really close to windows 7, why even upgrade? Pick one or the other you can't have both.

And that's a point that I've made, if you have actually seen my posts. Most people on Windows 7 (and even Vista) don't feel the need to upgrade. There's no must-have feature in Windows 8 over 7 or even Vista. Even if the UI was the exact same, most people are NOT going to bother upgrading because it's an unnecessary expenditure for something that's pretty much the same thing. It's not solely the UI that's to blame for lackluster sales, there's a lot of factors, with the UI possibly just being one of them.

I upgraded to Windows 8 because my computer needed a reformat, and I could get Windows 8 from my university and thought I would just try it out for a while. I saw no major reason to push me from Windows 8 back to Windows 7. Likewise, if my computer didn't need a reformat, I probably would not have upgraded to 8. Although, I have to say I like the way Windows 8 handles multimonitor extended desktop setups a lot better than Windows 7, but Windows 8 in eyefinity/nvsurround leaves a lot to be desired.

I never said Windows 8 was perfect. In fact, there are a bunch of things that I don't like about it. However, I do not see anything that is a major dealbreaker from using Windows 8, especially for the general user. Therefore, it will do just fine on OEM desktops due to the fact that those people aren't going to want to go through the hassle of downgrading to Windows 7. People who buy Windows OEM are still going to buy Windows OEM regardless of which OS is installed, and this is where the bulk of consumer Windows sales go.
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How many businesses use laptops exclusively? How many workstations? The desktop market has reduced, yes, but for the most part is still just as big if not bigger as laptops when you take all markets and not just consumers into account.
You're being willfully ignorant by ignoring all of the sectors where it's literally impossible to use a laptop, or would be ridiculously worse compared to a desktop...For example, the stock market, CAD workers, etc.

I think desktops are replaced a lot less frequently than laptops or tablets. Laptops are often upgraded due to dying batteries, drops, etc. A desktop lasts a very long time, and with how powerful even basic desktops are, people are simply keeping them longer between upgrades. A new one is usually only bought when the old one breaks or slows things down to a significant degree, not when it is outdated.

Businesses are still in the middle of rolling out Windows 7. A Windows 8 upgrade simply won't happen even if it was the most business friendly OS ever made, unless it is proven that it saves the business a significant amount of money (more than the cost of upgrade) in the relatively quickly.
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Aww, it's cute that you think that, but it isn't true. I have swapped my CPU, my RAM, and my GPUs with this install.
There is only one piece of hardware Windows 8 cares about: Your motherboard.
Just like every other Windows version.
Wrong, if any hardware is changed except for external USB devices, and internal expansion cards (PCIe, PCI, SATA) then the OEM has to re-report to M$ a new hardware hash with the key or activation will fail.

So then this applies to OEMs and not Retail copies, in which case you're still wrong.

I have been switching between my Corsair 32GB kit for normal use, and Kingston 4GB kit for benching for weeks now after I put my 8320 in. Never once has Win8 complained about a hardware change.
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