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@Brutuz

I like win8 on my touchscreen and tablets. You think consumers will hate win8 because you hate win8. There is no truth in that.
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@Brutuz
I like win8 on my touchscreen and tablets. You think consumers will hate win8 because you hate win8. There is no truth in that.

Remind me how many consumer desktops come with touch screens to efficiently use this touch screen oriented OS.

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I have immersed myself in W8s GUI, I am on it right now (I put it on my laptop as I'm certain that the W8 certain users on this site cannot be the same W8 I'm using), it certainly is not objectively faster...You lack jump lists in the start menu as well as have to move the cursor further to open anything which really can add up on a trackpad...In terms of actual performance, it trades blows with W7 in every review I've seen with the difference being about the same as going from 1333Mhz RAM to 1866Mhz RAM.

How is the classic start menu a total fail when GUIs are subjective? Just because you don't like it, that doesn't mean it's horrible for everyone, same with Metro, some people will like it, some people won't. You haven't provided objective factual evidence either, you've provided anecdotal evidence that is easily disproven by graphs, the lack of jump menus (Meaning that, as far as I can tell, you have to open say, Word, then your document rather than jumping straight into it in W7) and larger spacing of apps makes it slower to use for most people unless you're suggesting the laws of physics are incorrect.
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It's been a good change for me and I loved Win7. Ultimately the Windows formula has grown stale IMO and Win8 is a refreshing change of pace. People like you just refuse to get over the stupid start button which is seriously pathetic in my view... rolleyes.gif

Sorry, but I prefer having a productive UI made for desktops. Like I said above, I'm using W8 now...Metro is definitely not better than the start menu in my opinion.
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@Brutuz

I like win8 on my touchscreen and tablets. You think consumers will hate win8 because you hate win8. There is no truth in that.

I think Win8 will do somewhat well on tablets and the like, but not on desktops. You seem to think consumers will like Win8 because you (I think?) like W8, there's no truth in that either..I've talked to people about it at Uni, etc as have others and they've all reported that W8 likers are in the minority.
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I was using it on and off for the last 6 months. Every time the new interface is just stupid and unintuitive. This is why I think everyone who calls it intuitive is just kidding themselves and saying it out aloud so they believe it themselves.
Windows 8 is a nice OS, but it's got a massive dog turn sat in the middle of it. I like this quote from the comments of this article:
Which says it all. Win 8 is great, but the crap in the middle of the OS puts you off and gets in the way of the goodness.
People who hate the new Start Menu are the ones who find typical tasks hard to learn, difficult to grasp, and unintuitive. The fault lies within you the user, im sure if I gave you a spoon that as made upside down. You would still try using it right side up.

It's never the users fault, MS wants them to buy their product, correct? Then you have to work around and with the users, that's programming 101. You don't try to force something on users you know that they won't get, that's just bad design right there.
    
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It's never the users fault, MS wants them to buy their product, correct? Then you have to work around and with the users, that's programming 101. You don't try to force something on users you know that they won't get, that's just bad design right there.
I still feel as its the users fault for not grasping it. Millions of people around the world already find using Windows 8 simple. It's become a no-thought process for users like me. So its hard to say Microsoft's the blame for a good product.
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I'm no fan of Windows 8, but what you're saying about upgrades in just nonsense. Apple releases a new OS every year. Microsoft releases a new OS every 3 years. Apple charges $30 for an upgrade. Microsoft is charging $40 for a Windows 8 upgrade. In a 3 year time-span an Apple user will have spent $90 on OSX upgrades while a Windows user will have spent $40. I also have no idea what you're referring to when you say upgrades fail half the time. It seems to me that the upgrade process is almost identical to the Windows 7 upgrade process which we had no problems with.
Also I'm sure the amount of people pirating Windows 8 is far less than previous versions of Windows due to the drastic price cuts on upgrade media.
No, Windows 8 has been fully released for desktops and laptops. You're confusing the ARM surface and the i5 surface variants. I don't believe you can even run an ARM OS on an x86 CPU. Microsoft has released their ARM version of the surface tablet, the x86 i5 version will be released in 2013.

Just because something runs on ARM doesn't mean it can't run on x86. Android is available for both ARM and x86 architectures, just like linux. This doesnt mean you can just write the software once and have it work everywhere, but with the core OS supporting both versions, it makes the task of porting across much simpler.

For example, Playstation, Xbox and Nintendo games getting ported between each other and to the PC. That's been happening for a while, and involves a variety of Architecture changes depending on what your comparing to what.

however the current implementation of Windows RT on ARM is definitively NOT windows on x86. There's similarities, but there's also quite a lot that's missing. even compared to other cross-architecture porting. It's a half step.
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I hope Windows 8 burns to the ground. They made OEMs lock out the BIOS. Just bought a new VAIO that came installed with WIndows 8. Can't even access the BIOS.
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It's different. It's subjective. Some people are going to work better on 8, others are going to work better on 7. Presenting your opinion as FACT is what bugs the hell out of me.
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I'm no fan of Windows 8, but what you're saying about upgrades in just nonsense. Apple releases a new OS every year. Microsoft releases a new OS every 3 years. Apple charges $30 for an upgrade. Microsoft is charging $40 for a Windows 8 upgrade. In a 3 year time-span an Apple user will have spent $90 on OSX upgrades while a Windows user will have spent $40. I also have no idea what you're referring to when you say upgrades fail half the time. It seems to me that the upgrade process is almost identical to the Windows 7 upgrade process which we had no problems with.
Also I'm sure the amount of people pirating Windows 8 is far less than previous versions of Windows due to the drastic price cuts on upgrade media.
No, Windows 8 has been fully released for desktops and laptops. You're confusing the ARM surface and the i5 surface variants. I don't believe you can even run an ARM OS on an x86 CPU. Microsoft has released their ARM version of the surface tablet, the x86 i5 version will be released in 2013.

Just because something runs on ARM doesn't mean it can't run on x86. Android is available for both ARM and x86 architectures, just like linux. This doesnt mean you can just write the software once and have it work everywhere, but with the core OS supporting both versions, it makes the task of porting across much simpler.

For example, Playstation, Xbox and Nintendo games getting ported between each other and to the PC. That's been happening for a while, and involves a variety of Architecture changes depending on what your comparing to what.

however the current implementation of Windows RT on ARM is definitively NOT windows on x86. There's similarities, but there's also quite a lot that's missing. even compared to other cross-architecture porting. It's a half step.

Yeah, java/dalvik does that for you...however, there are a few apps that have parts written in C++ that require recompilation for x86 MIPS.
    
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It's never the users fault, MS wants them to buy their product, correct? Then you have to work around and with the users, that's programming 101. You don't try to force something on users you know that they won't get, that's just bad design right there.
I still feel as its the users fault for not grasping it. Millions of people around the world already find using Windows 8 simple. It's become a no-thought process for users like me. So its hard to say Microsoft's the blame for a good product.

You do need to count the users into the design process though, that is where MS is at fault.

Millions can be a very insignificant number considering there's at least 2 billion people on the internet, too. There's millions of desktop Linux users too. (iirc Ubuntu stood at 2 million alone)
    
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You do need to count the users into the design process though, that is where MS is at fault.
Millions can be a very insignificant number considering there's at least 2 billion people on the internet, too. There's millions of desktop Linux users too. (iirc Ubuntu stood at 2 million alone)
I would agree that Windows 8 leaves any kind of business in the dark. But I don't think they intended to target that group of customers with Windows 8. The way I see it, Windows 8 was to be a mobile platform operating system. But Microsoft knew if they marketed it as a completely new version of Windows, they would potentially globalize on sales. Not only selling it to laptop and tablet manufactures, but also to people like you, me, and desktop OEM manufactures. It opened a big door for profit when they said it can run on quite a few platforms.
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