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with a dslr camera, you can adjust the shutter speed, if the sensor is small and the light is low, you need to adjust the shutter speed to slow, it needs more time to gather the light, slower shutter speed is more prone to blurring, that's why you need a tripod,
if the sensor is big enough you can set the shutter speed to fast, no need for a tripod

still no. sensor size does not have any factor in shutter speed. smaller sensors are capable of shooting at higher ISO just like larger sensors. larger sensors up to a certain point will have less digital noise.

you are seriously confused in your understanding of photography and need to buy a book.

cameras with smaller sensors do not have fixed shutter speeds. the truth is small sensor cameras shooting in auto mode are less likely to raise the ISO which is why you may THINK they arent able to have fast shutter speeds. its because the camera is programmed to sacrifice shutter speed to keep the ISO low as possible
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so your point is that, a cameraman can produce a dslr quality images using a cheap ass cameraphone? well, goodluck with that, i won't gonna argue with you anymore.

im not even arguing with you. im trying to educate you. but you are so resistant to admitting you dont understand that you would rather give up and make these horribly inaccurate misconceptions about photography.

"DSLR quality images" doesnt make sense. DSLR is a type of camera system not a level of image quality. a DSLR camera has the capability of capturing higher resolution, higher dynamic range, latitude, contrast... list goes on compared to a point and shoot. btw resolution and apparent sharpness are not the same. it is possible for a P&S to take a sharper image if you put a terribly low quality lens on a DSLR

my point is in fact that yes its possible for a experience and talented photographer that shoots with thousands of dollars in gear professionally to take a stunning image on their iphone. there is no luck. there are websites dedicated to iphoneography which contain images that are truly incredible and are worthy of display in a gallery. no luck is needed when taking photos with a cell phone instead of a DSLR. all you need is an understanding of exposure, light, and composition
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Actually, yes.
I have taken many photos on my Galaxy S2 that people have confused for a picture taken on my Lumix G2. Photography is all about the light, not sensor size.

then you are not pushing the capabilities of the lumix g2, try shooting at low lights, moving objects, etc.
i highly doubt that the galaxy s2 can do what the lumix g2 does, why would you need the g2 then.
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then you are not pushing the capabilities of the lumix g2, try shooting at low lights, moving objects, etc.
i highly doubt that the galaxy s2 can do what the lumix g2 does, why would you need the g2 then.

first of all. you are not going to freeze any motion in extreme low light. talking like street lights. with anything less than ISO 6400. if you are shooting under low light and trying to capture motion then either you are expecting miracles or your are intentionally capturing motion streaks in images using long exposure on purpose. you example honestly isnt very valid, anyone trying to do that on any camera is expecting too much.

the S2 can do what the lumix G2 does. a cell phone does not offer proper manual exposure control to attempt extreme low light photography using long exposure. which is why you cant take photos at night on your phone and expect good quality out in the middle of a field. but in downtown of a bright city, yes a phone is capable of taking a decent photo with enough light even at night.
Edited by Conspiracy - 11/18/12 at 8:28pm
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im not even arguing with you. im trying to educate you. but you are so resistant to admitting you dont understand that you would rather give up and make these horribly inaccurate misconceptions about photography.
"DSLR quality images" doesnt make sense. DSLR is a type of camera system not a level of image quality. a DSLR camera has the capability of capturing higher resolution, higher dynamic range, latitude, contrast... list goes on compared to a point and shoot. btw resolution and apparent sharpness are not the same. it is possible for a P&S to take a sharper image if you put a terribly low quality lens on a DSLR
my point is in fact that yes its possible for a experience and talented photographer that shoots with thousands of dollars in gear professionally to take a stunning image on their iphone. there is no luck. there are websites dedicated to iphoneography which contain images that are truly incredible and are worthy of display in a gallery. no luck is needed when taking photos with a cell phone instead of a DSLR. all you need is an understanding of exposure, light, and composition

i agree that you can take good pictures with the high end phones today, i don't agree about the mobile phones capable of producing the same quality as dslr cameras under all conditions/situations,

a professional photographer can produce better photos using their dslr than their phones, you cannot say otherwise.
Edited by ghostrider85 - 11/18/12 at 8:31pm
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(Just took these this second)
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IMG_20121119_041926-1 by Jlryan - Buzzin92, on Flickr


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IMG_20121119_042232 by Jlryan - Buzzin92, on Flickr

Lumix G2:

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Asus Motherboard by Jlryan - Buzzin92, on Flickr

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Daffodil by Jlryan - Buzzin92, on Flickr

Just for comparison.
Edited by Buzzin92 - 11/18/12 at 8:29pm
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first of all. you are not going to freeze any motion in extreme low light. talking like street lights. with anything less than ISO 6400. if you are shooting under low light and trying to capture motion then either you are expecting miracles or your are intentionally capturing motion streaks in images using long exposure on purpose. you example honestly isnt very valid, anyone trying to do that on any camera is expecting too much.
the S2 can do what the lumix G2 does. a cell phone does not offer proper manual exposure control to attempt extreme low light photography using long exposure. which is why you cant take photos at night on your phone and expect good quality out in the middle of a field. but in downtown of a bright city, yes a phone is capable of taking a decent photo with enough light even at night.

did i post something about capturing a moving object in low lights?
post #68 of 108
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Actually, yes.
I have taken many photos on my Galaxy S2 that people have confused for a picture taken on my Lumix G2. Photography is all about the light, not sensor size.

And people confuse donkeys for horses, so what. It has already been established that you can under the right conditions take very crisp and good photos with a phone camera. The thing is that a higher quality sensor (often this also means a physically bigger sensor) can handle higher ISO's without introducing excessive grain/noise into the picture. Therefore you can shot free hand in low light and still get sharp images. Naturally f stop also has a impact. But if you shoot in low light even going "wide-open" is not usually going to give you fast enough shutter speeds to shoot with out support. So you have to pump up the ISO to larger numbers.

I know DSR's can take very clean pictures even when you go +800 ISO while my point and shoot SX210 starts to have quite a bit of noise ones you go past 200.
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a professional photographer can produce better photos using their dslr than their phones, you cannot say otherwise.

it seriously depends on the photographer. i know plenty of professional photographers that are clueless when you put a film camera in their hands. not all pros have a deep understanding of their gear and intimately understand how it all works.

I WILL SAY otherwise that it is possible for a pro to take a equally good photo on a phone vs their DSLR. the main difference that i keep saying is manual control over exposure. if you are referring to a pro as someone that takes lots of photos with shallow DOF (aka blurry backgrounds) then that person is not a pro as not every photo needs shallow focus unless its a portrait and even with portraits some of the best portrait photography i have seen is shot stopped down rather than wide open.
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then you are not pushing the capabilities of the lumix g2, try shooting at low lights, moving objects, etc.
i highly doubt that the galaxy s2 can do what the lumix g2 does, why would you need the g2 then.

this is where you mentioned moving objects by the way. to answer your question in the one post
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did i post something about capturing a moving object in low lights?

also what do you think i took this photo with out of everything i own
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