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I've been running my CPU at 4.8GHz for quite some time now. When I first started overclocking it, I was able to get it to run at 4.8GHz at 1.40v (Using IBT, LinX, and 6 hour Prime Runs determining stability). Then as some time passed I noticed during startup two programs would crash (MSI Afterburner and ASRock Extreme Tuner [used as a monitoring device not to overclock]) . I figured this meant it wasn't stable. So I would simply up the VCore slightly and restart. Then using the same previous programs and methods to determine stability. As more time passed, I found myself at 1.45v. This worried me because it didn't make sense that as the months passed I needed to up the voltage so much for it to become stable. This is when I decided to make a post about it, asking if it was my power supply or if I damaged the CPU through degradation.

In the post the general consensus was either the clock was never actually stable @ 4.8GHz because your methods for determining whether or not it was stable were not good enough or you have begin to see signs of processor degradation. I was told to test the computer for 24 hours running Prime @ 90% memory utilization. Being that my computer is my only source of entertainment in my apartment, I found it hard to be able to run it that long. So I ended up running it for 12 hours and It passed without any errors or BSOD's. I thought this was good enough to determine whether or not it was stable.

Eventually, even after the 12 hour Prime test. It began to show signs again of instability (The two previous programs crashing). So I slowly increased the Vcore again (from 1.45). Stopping at around 1.46v. Time passed at it would be fine. Eventually of course I would run into the problem of the programs crashing at startup again, knowing it wasn't stable. So I then decided to play with other settings. Like the PLL, DRAM Voltage, and VVT. First time it happened, I set the DRAM from 1.5v to 1.530v and upped the PLL from 1.7. That seemed to do the trick, until a month or so later the programs crashed at startup again. Then I tried increasing the DRAM voltage slightly, the PLL slightly, and the VVT slightly. That seemed to work, until today.

I booted up my computer at around 10:30. Watched some TV and ate some dinner. Everything was fine, until at about 11:30 I decided it was time to play some games. So I jumped on Medal of Honor Warfighter, and in maybe 4 mins into the game it froze. So I restarted. Tried loading it up again, and it froze and then restarted. Now I was confused because I never saw anything like this. The computer never BSODed or froze before. Always simply showed the two startup programs crashing. I then decided to start playing with the settings in the Bios. Trying everything. Nothing worked. It would freeze, or restart shortly after Windows loaded up. Tried dropping the Multipler down from 48 to 47. That didn't work either. Would still freeze or restart. Thought maybe it might be a virus. Tried running spybot, but it kept restarting before I had the chance to do anything. So I finally decided it was time to reset everything to defaults. As I was trying to reset the defaults, it would even freeze in the bios. Finally though, I reloaded everything back to defaults. Everything loaded up, and it was able to stay up and running for a lot longer than it was before. So I was relieved and chalked it up as a overclocking problem.

Only problem was that while I was typing trying to type this, it restarted. That's when I got worried. So I thought maybe it was a because it was too dusty or something. So I shut everything down and grabbed a compressed air canister and gave it a nice dusting. Tried booting it up, and it wouldn't post. Then I realized it was time to check the DEBUG codes. So at first it was spitting out 45 code. Which no where in the manual does it list 45 as a code (later finding out it means bad memory). Then I decided to remove a DIM and try booting up again. Then it cycled, and spit out 30 code. Which apparently has something to do with the Memory not being seated properly ( I didn't know this at the time, all it says for code 30 is Reserved for ASL). Anyway, I put the second DIM back in and finally it posted. I decided to start typing this again in Word, so incase it restarts I would get the autosave. Of course about 10-15 mins in, it restarted again. Then it wouldn't post and it spit out the 2E code. Which means Memory Initialization. I then decided let me try changing up the slots in the Memory. So I changed the DIMS from 1 & 3 to 2 & 4.

This is where I am at now, it hasn't restarted yet, but then again it hasn't been 10 or 15 mins yet so I don't know for sure.

I will edit this post if it does or doesn't restart.

Question is, where do I start?

I have off Monday, so whatever needs to be replaced I have no problem going and picking up at Microcenter. If it's the CPU they are having a 2500k for $100 which isn't bad. If I damaged the Ram from overvolting it, I'll replace the ram. If it's the Power Supply, I'll replace the power supply. I overvolted the Memory Controller and it's the motherboard, then I guess I'll replace that. I just want to pin point exactly where to start, because I really have no idea.

Kind of bummed because I was planning on doing some nice upgrades this coming Black Friday, but want to get this situated before hand.

Thanks.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 11/17/12 at 11:14pm
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nice narrative thumb.gif

it does sound like it's your ram.. try testing each stick individually with memtest (with all other settings at default).
hopefully, it's something simple like that and not your board that's causing the issue.

start with testing ram and then we'll see how we go... smile.gif
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Have you tried a CMOS reset? If not, do so. Also, see if you can run memtest, you can do it one stick at a time, or on both at the same time. Check all of your power connections, including the 24 pin and cpu power. Try to boot with only 1 DIMM in, and the Half again with the other.
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Ran Intel Burn Test, passed without any errors. Hasn't restarted either.

Going to Run Mem Test now, will post back with results.
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Have you tried a CMOS reset? If not, do so. Also, see if you can run memtest, you can do it one stick at a time, or on both at the same time. Check all of your power connections, including the 24 pin and cpu power. Try to boot with only 1 DIMM in, and the Half again with the other.

I'm pretty sure if I CMOS reset, I'll lose my 4.8GHz overclock settings, which I'm afraid to do.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 11/17/12 at 11:42pm
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reset everything..
save your settings for 4.8 if you like.. but if it was your overclock that was causing the issue to begin with then... don't be scurred.
Edited by s0d0mg0m0rrah - 11/17/12 at 11:59pm
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Ran Intel Burn Test, passed without any errors. Hasn't restarted either.
Going to Run Mem Test now, will post back with results.
I'm pretty sure if I CMOS reset, I'll lose my 4.8GHz overclock settings, which I'm afraid to do.
You have two options -> in BIOS you can save settings and recall later on, and you can write down all settings and manually retype after BIOS reset/update!
Other than that -> most help fool in cases like that is to reset CPU and (normally in same time) cooler. Additionally to that i will do the same with GPU cooler (change TIM) . And don't forget to cleanup PSU fan. In my opinion/experience this is normal maintenance which must to be done every year for normal users and every 3 month for heavy OC lunatics thumb.gif
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Here is something I may be able to help you with.
How many beeps do you get?
I had the same issue, when I installed my H80.
Turned out I had to reseat my GPU.
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Ran memtest no errors.
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reset everything..
save your settings for 4.8 if you like.. but if it was your overclock that was causing the issue to begin with then... don't be scurred.

I have a profile saved, but I'm pretty sure if I reset CMOS I lose the saved profile.
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You have two options -> in BIOS you can save settings and recall later on, and you can write down all settings and manually retype after BIOS reset/update!
Other than that -> most help fool in cases like that is to reset CPU and (normally in same time) cooler. Additionally to that i will do the same with GPU cooler (change TIM) . And don't forget to cleanup PSU fan. In my opinion/experience this is normal maintenance which must to be done every year for normal users and every 3 month for heavy OC lunatics thumb.gif

Before I reset CMOS, I probably will write down all the settings in case. You think it's necessary to update the BIOS?

Don't have any TIM on me, so can't reseat CPU or change TIM on the GPU. When I shut it down, before changing the Ram Slots to 2 & 4 I gave the PSU a nice spray down with compressed air.
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Here is something I may be able to help you with.
How many beeps do you get?
I had the same issue, when I installed my H80.
Turned out I had to reseat my GPU.

If it doesn't post and spits out an error code. No beeps at all. Otherwise when it posts just, single beep.

You think that the GPU might have something to do with this? Even freezing at BIOS?
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Go out and find some TIM biggrin.gif for such OC (4.8 GHz) you have to do basic maintenance
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Quote:
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Go out and find some TIM biggrin.gif for such OC (4.8 GHz) you have to do basic maintenance

I understand the maintenance idea, but why would TIM have anything to do with it? My temperatures are more than satisfactory at both load and idle? I'm sitting at 30 idle and 70 load in IBT on Very High, even 60 load in Prime (@ 4.8GHz @ 1.46v).

So I'm guessing nobody has any idea what it is?
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