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It has kernel improvements, random memory allocation (no overflow based attacks pretty much), quite a few orders of magnitude of improvements to chkdsk, and so much more.
Get used to it.

Vista and 7 both feature ASLR with it enabled by default; it isn't a totally new feature with Windows 8. Its effectiveness in Windows Vista was minimal due to some implementation faults. Note that it doesn't really provide a solid defense against overflows. It does make it harder to exploit one into being a repeatable attack that accomplishes more than a crash of the program.

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point though. With the exception of the start menu and overlay screen, I like Windows 8 and enjoy its improvements to management tools.
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When did I ever say that I like it? I have no problems with it and am also not obsessed with whining about it.
The Start menu is still there; there's just no button. Big whoop.

I never said that you said you liked it.

You were saying that I hated Win8/Metro. That is a lie. I corrected your quote. I like Win8 but I hate Metro.

I am just setting the record straight on what you said about me.

Finally, to respond to your current post ...

If the Start button is no big whoop, then why not allow people to have the option of having it?

Hence the need for DISCUSSION.
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They do have choices. Technically the way Windows 8 works, metro is like your start menu just more graphically pleasing. You can jump right back to the desktop style anytime.

It is not more pleasing in any way shape or form. But wait... that is preference and that can't be dictated to anyone, regardless of how much MS want to.

I dual boot Win 8 with Win 7 on my laptop and I am going to remove Win 8 and go back to Mint/Win 7 because it makes me want to claw my own eyes out. I don't care about improvements (that mostly also exist in Win 7) because if I can't bear to look at it I will never find out what those so called improvements are. In fact the only improvement I have found is MS finding a way of saving me money, till they allow us to customise the look of Win 8 and it's proven there are real, tangible, improvements, other than the it's-better-because-I-said-so.

And it's funny how many people banter the word choice around when they gladly will give that up as well to settle for a pastel coloured full page start screen that is uglier than the first versions of Windows, then claim it's progress.
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Windows 8 is great. People will realize this when programs such as Firefox, steam, and Winamp start utilizing metro. Seriously, metro is basically a full screen start menu that's easily organizable. Instead of searching through a list of folders, you could organize your programs neatly and even group them thus keeping your desktop clean of clutter. I would like to see some improvements (such as the idiotic placement of the shutdown button, and better multi tasking in metro) but otherwise it's a great update. Even the kernel saw some much needed improvement.
     
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It is not more pleasing in any way shape or form. But wait... that is preference and that can't be dictated to anyone, regardless of how much MS want to.
I dual boot Win 8 with Win 7 on my laptop and I am going to remove Win 8 and go back to Mint/Win 7 because it makes me want to claw my own eyes out. I don't care about improvements (that mostly also exist in Win 7) because if I can't bear to look at it I will never find out what those so called improvements are. In fact the only improvement I have found is MS finding a way of saving me money, till they allow us to customise the look of Win 8 and it's proven there are real, tangible, improvements, other than the it's-better-because-I-said-so.
And it's funny how many people banter the word choice around when they gladly will give that up as well to settle for a pastel coloured full page start screen that is uglier than the first versions of Windows, then claim it's progress.

Not having junk on my screen so I have more space is progress. The start button was junk on your screen. Just because metro uses pictures instead of just a list of programs that makes you hate it? You can change that too. When you click on start you can just have it bring up metro with a list of programs. It just doesn't appear only in the corner. Then when you are done with the metro start menu you can easily move the mouse in the top left and go back to the desktop. Microsoft wanted to give us screen space, not seeing how this is a bad idea.
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Windows 8 is great. People will realize this when programs such as Firefox, steam, and Winamp start utilizing metro. Seriously, metro is basically a full screen start menu that's easily organizable. Instead of searching through a list of folders, you could organize your programs neatly and even group them thus keeping your desktop clean of clutter. I would like to see some improvements (such as the idiotic placement of the shutdown button, and better multi tasking in metro) but otherwise it's a great update. Even the kernel saw some much needed improvement.

Uhm...

I'm not sure why you think that the people who dislike Metro's full screen-ness are going to love it suddenly when programs like Firefox, Steam, and Winamp go full screen.
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Not having junk on my screen so I have more space is progress. The start button was junk on your screen. Just because metro uses pictures instead of just a list of programs that makes you hate it? You can change that too. When you click on start you can just have it bring up metro with a list of programs. It just doesn't appear only in the corner. Then when you are done with the metro start menu you can easily move the mouse in the top left and go back to the desktop. Microsoft wanted to give us screen space, not seeing how this is a bad idea.

Can you post a pic of your Windows 8 start screen? Because that was really one thing I didn't like about it. It took up the screen. I finally just killed most of the little squares. I typically use windows key plus typing three characters and arrow keying to what I want anyway, but some times I am lazy and just want to use the mouse. That is why I stopped using it...all the little boxes. You can barely see the back ground. So I'd like to see how you can set up Windows 8 to save screen real estate over Windows 7. I might have to play with it some more, but without a start menu I fail to see how it could be done.
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Again, the start button or lack thereof is not the only issue people have with Windows 8.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318619/cnet-windows-8-is-easy-ask-this-3-year-old/110#post_18432659
    
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Can you post a pic of your Windows 8 start screen? Because that was really one thing I didn't like about it. It took up the screen. I finally just killed most of the little squares. I typically use windows key plus typing three characters and arrow keying to what I want anyway, but some times I am lazy and just want to use the mouse. That is why I stopped using it...all the little boxes. You can barely see the back ground. So I'd like to see how you can set up Windows 8 to save screen real estate over Windows 7. I might have to play with it some more, but without a start menu I fail to see how it could be done.

I will when I get home from work.
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What's windows 8 again?
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