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The crying is from sheep believing that Windows 8 is some big mess like Vista was.

Vista wasn't a mess. The drivers and the hardware people were trying to run it on were. I saw SO many customers of mine (at the time, I ran a small business as a technician) trying to install Vista on a 1GHz Celeron, and complain when it pooped, it's not even funny lol.
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Windows 8 is fine. People need to get over it and just use it.

I'm sorry but, people aren't subject to your will, especially when it's something subjective to opinion. If some one isn't comfortable with something then they aren't comfortable with it.
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It has kernel improvements, random memory allocation (no overflow based attacks pretty much), quite a few orders of magnitude of improvements to chkdsk, and so much more.
Get used to it.

Vista and 7 both feature ASLR with it enabled by default; it isn't a totally new feature with Windows 8. Its effectiveness in Windows Vista was minimal due to some implementation faults. Note that it doesn't really provide a solid defense against overflows. It does make it harder to exploit one into being a repeatable attack that accomplishes more than a crash of the program.

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point though. With the exception of the start menu and overlay screen, I like Windows 8 and enjoy its improvements to management tools.

Microsoft Windows
Microsoft's Windows Vista (released January 2007), Windows Server 2008, Windows 7, and Windows Server 2008 R2 have ASLR enabled by default, although only for those executables and dynamic link libraries specifically linked to be ASLR-enabled.[8] This did not include Internet Explorer 7 on Windows Vista prior to Service Pack 1; ASLR and Data Execution Prevention (DEP) are both disabled for application compatibility purposes.[9] Newer versions, including Internet Explorer 8 (released March 2009), enable these protections. A registry setting to forcibly enable or disable ASLR for all executables and libraries is found at "HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\MoveImages".[10] ASLR can be disabled in Windows 7, by using the Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit provided by Microsoft, (the MoveImages registry setting has no effect in Windows 7[citation needed]).
The locations of the heap, stack, Process Environment Block, and Thread Environment Block are also randomized. A security whitepaper from Symantec noted that ASLR in 32-bit Windows Vista may not be as robust as expected, and Microsoft has acknowledged a weakness in its implementation.[11]
Host-based intrusion prevention systems such as WehnTrust[12] and Ozone[13] also offer ASLR for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 operating systems; however complete details of their implementation are not available.[14]
It was noted in February 2012[15] that ASLR on 32bit Windows systems prior to Windows 8 can have its effectiveness reduced in low memory situations.


Go to Wikipedia and do reading.
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I am a Windows 7 user. I do not use the Start menu much, but what I do use it for is to access Documents, Computer, Control Panel... Maybe a bit more. But I need to be able to do those things at least. I have not looked in "My Programs" since 2011 to access any software to my knowledge. Maybe I have if PSUCalc is there.
The thing stopping me from upgrading to Windows 8 is the Start Menu and a few other pet peeves.
So, bring back the start menu and I can tolerate it.
   
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I am a Windows 7 user. I do not use the Start menu much, but what I do use it for is to access Documents, Computer, Control Panel... Maybe a bit more. But I need to be able to do those things at least. I have not looked in "My Programs" since 2011 to access any software to my knowledge. Maybe I have if PSUCalc is there.
The thing stopping me from upgrading to Windows 8 is the Start Menu and a few other pet peeves.
So, bring back the start menu and I can tolerate it.

You can access all the things you listed by clicking on the new start button which opens the metro UI. You can make it one of the blocks.
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I have a great idea for Stardock. They could develop a "Start Screen" for use in Win7 and then nobody would ever need to upgrade to Win8...lol j/k

It would be nice to have the Start Menu reimplemented back in to Win8 and Aero as well, for me. I've seen tons of complaints ranging from UAC to full screen apps and beyond. One that sticks out in my mind is not being a full Admin when logged in as an Admin, even with Global Rights and registry editing. Bad news... unless it's been fixed already.

I rejoice in seeing Steve Sinofsky being booted from Microsoft by Steve Ballmer for FAILING. Money talks and BS walks.

My take on this is that the average consumer would rather choose a computer with a tried and true OS on it that's familiar to them in most ways. Metro or Start Screen should have been implemented like The Media Center. It's there if you want it and doesn't exist/interfere if you don't. Don't change what works and what people have grown accustomed to. Simple business logic goes a long way. Steve Sinofsky found out the hard way.
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I would like to see metro able to be turned on or off but I'd also personally like the option to turn off the desktop as well. I try to only use metro apps and avoid the desktop altogether...
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I am a Windows 7 user. I do not use the Start menu much, but what I do use it for is to access Documents, Computer, Control Panel... Maybe a bit more. But I need to be able to do those things at least. I have not looked in "My Programs" since 2011 to access any software to my knowledge. Maybe I have if PSUCalc is there.
The thing stopping me from upgrading to Windows 8 is the Start Menu and a few other pet peeves.
So, bring back the start menu and I can tolerate it.

You can access all the things you listed by clicking on the new start button which opens the metro UI. You can make it one of the blocks.

Sorry, there is something about using the metro UI on a 17 inch+ non-touchscreen 1200p monitor that turns me off. Maybe it's the fact that the only things I tolerate running in full screen are video games and photo/video editing software. Hell and there are some games that I run in a window (Second Life, World of Tanks, etc.). I would not like to use the metro UI in full screen mainly because I just cannot handle it in a full screen configuration, just like how I cannot handle folders opened in a full screen config. When they start making affordable 2560x1440 touchscreen monitors, then I will think about using metro. But full screen metro is too much for me to handle with just a mouse.
   
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Sorry, there is something about using the metro UI on a 17 inch+ non-touchscreen 1200p monitor that turns me off. Maybe it's the fact that the only things I tolerate running in full screen are video games and photo/video editing software. Hell and there are some games that I run in a window (Second Life, World of Tanks, etc.). I would not like to use the metro UI in full screen mainly because I just cannot handle it in a full screen configuration, just like how I cannot handle folders opened in a full screen config. When they start making affordable 2560x1440 touchscreen monitors, then I will think about using metro. But full screen metro is too much for me to handle with just a mouse.

So moving your mouse to the bottom left, clicking start, clicking the control panel square in the metro UI and then having it open the control panel is too much work? That's the same amount of steps it takes in W7.

Edit: I'd like to add the programs you mentioned in the first post look like they do in W7.
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So moving your mouse to the bottom left, clicking start, clicking the control panel square in the metro UI and then having it open the control panel is too much work? That's the same amount of steps it takes in W7.

Or how about simply pinning it to the taskbar? I only pin metro apps to the start screen, and then all my regular desktop apps to the taskbar. I find that this way reduces clutter substantially.
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