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Never say never...
Although, Ubuntu's UI (the closest any Linux distro has come to a common user's interface) still has a ways to go before I'd consider it competitive.

For Linux to become mainstream it would need to get corporately backed and supported and its functionality defined and become proprietary...in other words...get turned into Windows. So if it happened...it wouldn't matter.
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Not an attack, just honesty. If you don't like honesty, just ask. Thank you for reminding me about your question though. I had forgotten.
Why do I care about S.R.E.? Multiple reasons, most being with my eyes. I am used to 16:10 for starters. Full screen irritates my eyes in certain programs. Programs that have bright colors like this site for instance, if I run this site full screen, the main color can irritate my eyes. My eyes could handle the metro UI, but my hands would not. I could mentally know where everything is in the metro UI but never be able to adjust for it in full screen just using a mouse, but would be able to adjust with a touchscreen monitor.
So there is my main fault with being on a computer. I will never understand how people can handle their browser at full screen.

Attacks can be honest. And quite immature, evidently. redface.gif
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You really just don't get it, huh? Fine, I don't need to listen to more fanboyism. Blocked.

There's no reason to let everyone know...it's simply not constructive.
Edited by flamingoyster - 11/19/12 at 1:43pm
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For Linux to become mainstream it would need to get corporately backed and supported and its functionality defined and become proprietary...in other words...get turned into Windows. So if it happened...it wouldn't matter.

Hmm, not sure why you think that needs to happen...

The beauty of Linux is that it's functionality isn't defined. You can make it do what you want. Android is a great example of this. OEMs could build GUI's that pair with their hardware and goals.

(I like the idea of having a lot of options for a GUI, but having all my programs still work! smile.gif )

I'm still hopeful that the deployment of Steam on Linux goes well, I'd really like to use it as a "daily driver" if I could.
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Hmm, not sure why you think that needs to happen...
The beauty of Linux is that it's functionality isn't defined. You can make it do what you want. Android is a great example of this. OEMs could build GUI's that pair with their hardware and goals.
(I like the idea of having a lot of options for a GUI, but having all my programs still work! smile.gif )
I'm still hopeful that the deployment of Steam on Linux goes well, I'd really like to use it as a "daily driver" if I could.

Just for people to know it exists more than anything.

I too am following the Steam development closely, but they are kind of doing what I was talking about. If they go with it they will back it with some support and standardize it some. Most people don't want to think...they just want to be handed something.
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I think his point is simply that Microsoft will not always maintain all of their old features, certain things will go away over time, and at some point you'll be left with the choice to stick with a very old OS or a new one that really does not have the feature that you love. It likely won't affect you for a few years if you're a Windows 7 user, but at some point you'll want to use DX12, or some other new feature that an old OS doesn't support, and you'll be forced to choose between not getting that feature, or upgrading to an OS that may cost you to lose features from your current one. The question is, in that case, what will you do. At some point keeping the OS is more trouble than it's worth.

I know waht he was saying, he was just being needlessly obtuse about the matter of a choice.

And, by the time they do something like that, truly, then we may well have different input devices by then, or more intuitive touch screens for desktops.

Right now, Metro is a bit of an abomination on a desktop machine. Something that many might actively avoid isn't something they ought to keep forcing onto people. I've run though my head all the reasons I can think of for making such change and all I can come to is money, which to me isn't a viable reason. In regards to the Windows Store... if you build it they will come. There will be the tablet market and perhaps these new touch laptops - there isn't a need to push desktop users kicking and screaming.

And on top of that, in regards to him being obtuse and argumentative.... the desktop isn't old, outdated or passed it's prime. Sure, they ought to get rid of the legacy stuff.... like Drive A and B and DLL's (drive space isn't an issue any more) and progress. But the desktop experience isn't one of those ancient, aging things holding things back. On a desktop machine, it makes a lot of sense. It makes the most sense.

But, yeah, I just don't care for the needlessly pedantic replies he's giving
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Never say never...
Although, Ubuntu's UI (the closest any Linux distro has come to a common user's interface, in my opinion) still has a ways to go before I'd consider it competitive.

Let's face it, if Microsoft was forced to make DirectX available to Linux at the same level that Windows has access to it, to avoid a Federal Monopoly lawsuit, then Linux would make HUGE inroads as far as the number of people who would "jump ship" from Windows to Linux ... and fast.
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And on top of that, in regards to him being obtuse and argumentative.... the desktop isn't old, outdated or passed it's prime. Sure, they ought to get rid of the legacy stuff.... like Drive A and B and DLL's (drive space isn't an issue any more) and progress. But the desktop experience isn't one of those ancient, aging things holding things back. On a desktop machine, it makes a lot of sense. It makes the most sense.
But, yeah, I just don't care for the needlessly pedantic replies he's giving

a mouse centric perspective is holding windows back though. as has been said over and over again hotkeys and gestures are simply more efficient. the fact that windows traditionally ignores keyboard commands and gestures does make it less efficient. just because people are used to mouse centric interface doesn't make it a poor ui choice.

as far as not giving people a choice, well sometimes companies have to lead, have to tell their customers what they want. if they don't force improvement, improvement may never come (especially when you're stuck with a very conservative corporate userbase)
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Let's face it, if Microsoft was forced to make DirectX available to Linux at the same level that Windows has access to it, to avoid a Federal Monopoly lawsuit, then Linux would make HUGE inroads as far as the number of people who would "jump ship" from Windows to Linux ... and fast.

Maybe in the enthusiast community, but not in the general usage and business, as long as there is not easy tech support. When people buy an OEM computer, they expect to get tech support. OEMs would refer people to Microsoft, but what about Linux? They would need an inhouse team of Linux IT professionals, and they're probably not willing to provide that kind of support. Sure, there's paid Linux support available, but that (as I recall) requires a yearly fee, and I'm sure most people prefer a 1 time fee over yearly subscriptions.
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They went from DoS to a GUI and now to this. If people can get used to using a GUI over DoS, they will live without their start button. The worst part is, there still is a start button, and all we are doing is going from the wall of text to squares with pictures and words. Not sure how this is a life changing event that makes Windows 8 evil. Dont like the apps or the store? Get rid of them and put your own stuff on there.
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a mouse centric perspective is holding windows back though. as has been said over and over again hotkeys and gestures are simply more efficient. the fact that windows traditionally ignores keyboard commands and gestures does make it less efficient. just because people are used to mouse centric interface doesn't make it a poor ui choice.
as far as not giving people a choice, well sometimes companies have to lead, have to tell their customers what they want. if they don't force improvement, improvement may never come (especially when you're stuck with a very conservative corporate userbase)

I agree so much. People are becoming so close-minded to change.
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a mouse centric perspective is holding windows back though. as has been said over and over again hotkeys and gestures are simply more efficient. the fact that windows traditionally ignores keyboard commands and gestures does make it less efficient. just because people are used to mouse centric interface doesn't make it a poor ui choice.
as far as not giving people a choice, well sometimes companies have to lead, have to tell their customers what they want. if they don't force improvement, improvement may never come (especially when you're stuck with a very conservative corporate userbase)
"traditional" windows doesn't ignore keyboard commands, where do you they came from? And the gestures in Windows 8 aren't useful or special.

I'm sorry, but once again, if you like Metro and the new UI, good for you. But stop trying to skulk up reasons as to why keeping the start menu and desktop is bad or holding back progress.

Conservative's in politics stopping stem cell research were holding back progress. The start menu isn't holding back anything. Clearly when a company tries to decide for you what is best it backfires with "well below projection" sales and firing the guy who spearheaded the whole movement.
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