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11/19/12 at 3:01pm
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This thread is about the start menu. Literally the only difference between the metro version and the windows 7 version is that it looks slightly different and takes up the whole screen. It still gives you all the start menu options.
What I don't understand is all the blind hatred towards it. I see start menu threads pop up everywhere and it's all the same thing. "I want a button and I want it to look like before." Microsoft wants to move on and eventually everyone else will. You can still do everything like before, you just don't visually see the start button until you move your mouse to the bottom left.



My question to you is, Why is it there at all and what is moving forwards with its design?
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11/19/12 at 3:05pm
And it looks entirely different so it's not the same menu at all in any form or way.
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11/19/12 at 3:05pm
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This thread is about the start menu. Literally the only difference between the metro version and the windows 7 version is that it looks slightly different and takes up the whole screen. It still gives you all the start menu options.

What I don't understand is all the blind hatred towards it. I see start menu threads pop up everywhere and it's all the same thing. "I want a button and I want it to look like before." Microsoft wants to move on and eventually everyone else will. You can still do everything like before, you just don't visually see the start button until you move your mouse to the bottom left.

What I don't understand is the blind devotion towards Windows 8 and ignoring the issues.
From reading your posts you have done nothing but make filler.
Excuse me while I keep my open mind, easy adaption skills and hatred of LG.
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11/19/12 at 3:06pm
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It's not the same start menu. They did it to unify the Windows 8 experience across surface, laptops and desktop and they, themselves, admitted they focused on the tablet sector and not desktops. It's not designed for desktops. It's not optimised for desktops. The controls are tacked on and it's pure coincidence that the keyboard short cuts tend to now be the most effective way of navigating the UI. If they had done it to maximum and make use of screen space, then multi-monitor support wouldn't be horrendously broken.

1. Only a very small number of their consumer base uses multiple monitors. It will probably be fixed eventually.

2. It is optimized for keyboard commands+gestures. Optimization for these things is not determined by what a ui visually has but what it doesn't have, ie keyboard commands and gestures don't require visual representation on the screen, they don't require lots of text and clutter. As far as this dumbing down the ui, I don't see how the ui assuming I know the keyboard commands and gestures to navigate the ui=dumbed down. To me dumbed down is having a ui cluttered with text that has to explain and guide everything I do.
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11/19/12 at 3:13pm
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My question to you is, Why is it there at all and what is moving forwards with its design?

There was an article that talked about integration between the tablet and the desktop where you could use the tablet but make the desktop do all the work.
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And it looks entirely different so it's not the same menu at all in any form or way.

I'm wondering if you are talking about the same menu I am. I hit start and search and the menu pops up showing everything a regular start menu would.
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What I don't understand is the blind devotion towards Windows 8 and ignoring the issues.
From reading your posts you have done nothing but make filler.
Excuse me while I keep my open mind, easy adaption skills and hatred of LG.

I'm not ignoring the issues. It's just annoying to watch people hate it and when they say why, it's something they could fix in the customization section. The only thing I thought was strange was making it full screen but when you open what you want the metro UI goes back to your desktop view anyways.
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11/19/12 at 3:17pm
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1. Only a very small number of their consumer base uses multiple monitors. It will probably be fixed eventually.
2. It is optimized for keyboard commands+gestures. Optimization for these things is not determined by what a ui visually has but what it doesn't have, ie keyboard commands and gestures don't require visual representation on the screen, they don't require lots of text and clutter. As far as this dumbing down the ui, I don't see how the ui assuming I know the keyboard commands and gestures to navigate the ui=dumbed down. To me dumbed down is having a ui cluttered with text that has to explain and guide everything I do.


The keyboard commands are identical to Windows 7, save one or two new ones. It is NOT optimised for the desktop at all. Yes, they'll fix the multimon support but the point is it's broken and according to gospel, was suppose to maximum the screen space?

And I didn't say dumbed down. I just said it's not optimised for desktops. It's a pure coincidence that the keyboard shortcuts are the quickest way of using this new UI.... and I wouldn't call the charms bars and such gestures. Unless I'm missing some (and not that new Logitech mouse? No thanks).

Many IT people use two monitors in their job.

This OS isn't for desktops. It wasn't made with desktops in mind at all.
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There was an article that talked about integration between the tablet and the desktop where you could use the tablet but make the desktop do all the work.
I'm wondering if you are talking about the same menu I am. I hit start and search and the menu pops up showing everything a regular start menu would.
I'm not ignoring the issues. It's just annoying to watch people hate it and when they say why, it's something they could fix in the customization section. The only thing I thought was strange was making it full screen but when you open what you want the metro UI goes back to your desktop view anyways.

It's a full screen UI. It's nothing like the start menu I use at the moment.
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11/19/12 at 3:23pm
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The keyboard commands are identical to Windows 7, save one or two new ones. It is NOT optimised for the desktop at all.
It's a full screen UI. It's nothing like the start menu I use at the moment.

Yea I don't get why they did that, but all of the stuff you would need is in the list. I thought about it and if I'm looking for something in the start menu, I don't really look at anything else and when I find what I want the start menu/metro UI goes away anyways.
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11/19/12 at 3:31pm
Yeah, the main problem is I use my PC around not having a full screen obstruction in my way. For instance, I'm watching some DVD's or a TV episode on my computer and I want top access the start menu to grab something while I work.

At this point I'm all "metro, you're drunk, go home" because I don't want that in my face full screen.

There are just times when I don't want a full screen menu at all. I never want the full screen menu. I want my 1/5th of a screen menu that is smaller, compact and tailored to my use. I. Do not. Want. Metro.

I'm not holding back progress (that would be calling Metro progress, for me, it isn't) I'm not clinging onto outdated stuff. I just want to use my computer as I know best. And, I know how to use my computer best. Me. No-one else. Just me. thumb.gif

With Windows 8 + ClassicShell, I'm covered. I got this. But, I don't want a third party piece of software. I don't want ClassicShell because it's geared towards Windows XP and putting functionality of that into later systems. I didn't like XP, so that's moot. I don't want Start8, because I'll be damned if I'm paying for someone I expect as standard.

So, I wait, with thousands of others, for the return of the start menu.

If you like it, please, discuss it's finer points. But don't belittle people for not wanting it.
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11/19/12 at 3:37pm
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Yeah, the main problem is I use my PC around not having a full screen obstruction in my way. For instance, I'm watching some DVD's or a TV episode on my computer and I want top access the start menu to grab something while I work.
At this point I'm all "metro, you're drunk, go home" because I don't want that in my face full screen.
There are just times when I don't want a full screen menu at all. I never want the full screen menu. I want my 1/5th of a screen menu that is smaller, compact and tailored to my use. I. Do not. Want. Metro.
I'm not holding back progress (that would be calling Metro progress, for me, it isn't) I'm not clinging onto outdated stuff. I just want to use my computer as I know best. And, I know how to use my computer best. Me. No-one else. Just me. thumb.gif
With Windows 8 + ClassicShell, I'm covered. I got this. But, I don't want a third party piece of software. I don't want ClassicShell because it's geared towards Windows XP and putting functionality of that into later systems. I didn't like XP, so that's moot. I don't want Start8, because I'll be damned if I'm paying for someone I expect as standard.
So, I wait, with thousands of others, for the return of the start menu.
If you like it, please, discuss it's finer points. But don't belittle people for not wanting it.

I think having a resizeable screen would be a good idea. But I don't think Microsoft would ever bring it back simply because they want this new design. The whole metro UI is the start menu. I just got rid of all the crap they gave me, especially IE what a joke. But I put all the stuff I wanted for the Metro part. I think also a dual monitor setup makes it much more manageable because you can do the desktop on one side and metro on the other, but I know not everyone has that.

I think bringing back the start button will depend on what happens to the mobile sector of Microsoft.
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11/19/12 at 3:45pm
They just fired the guy who forced it on people.
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