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Because it's sad when people over complicate things. Could Windows 8 use a few changes? Sure. But we don't need to go back to the old start button ways. You're right, I can't change opinions but I can correct people where they are wrong. Whether they choose to accept that is up to them. So far I just see more blind hate for no start button than anything else. Last thing I'll say in here because no one will actually get it anyways.

You do not decide what we need to do. I say we DO need the old start menu back for those that want it. Why are you so ignorant to choice?
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Bring the start button and menu back for those that want it but I still want the option to use metro exclusively without the desktop at all. Would that compromise satisfy the Win8 hate crew? biggrin.gif
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Bring the start button and menu back for those that want it but I still want the option to use metro exclusively without the desktop at all. Would that compromise satisfy the Win8 hate crew? biggrin.gif

Are you sure you don't actually want a tablet running Windows RT (and mind you, Office 2013 Home and Student runs on the desktop, even though you can't run any other application on the desktop, but you are thrown into the desktop for file operations and to configure some settings) ?
 
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It does things noticeably slower than a tweaked Windows 7 start menu, even after getting used to it.

Not sure what you mean by this. It did things almost instantly for me on W7 and the same on W8 using the metro UI.

Due to the drawbacks of the OS, it takes slightly longer to actually do something. (eg. lack of jump lists means longer startup time between your work being open in front of you and start up)
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Because it's sad when people over complicate things. Could Windows 8 use a few changes? Sure. But we don't need to go back to the old start button ways. You're right, I can't change opinions but I can correct people where they are wrong. Whether they choose to accept that is up to them. So far I just see more blind hate for no start button than anything else. Last thing I'll say in here because no one will actually get it anyways.

You do not decide what we need to do. I say we DO need the old start menu back for those that want it. Why are you so ignorant to choice?

That's what I don't get, most of us just want the option...Why should we be forced to move?
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Bring the start button and menu back for those that want it but I still want the option to use metro exclusively without the desktop at all. Would that compromise satisfy the Win8 hate crew? biggrin.gif

That's what most of the "Win8 hate crew" want, that doesn't stop the W8 defenders still acting like we want it removed. (Note how most say "We want the start menu back" and not "We want Metro removed!")
    
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I've always said it was stupid not to give people the choice between the new interface and the old. Especially since this OS is trying to bridge the gap between desktop and mobile. MS always gave us classic Windows support so it makes no sense that they totally disallowed usage of the old start menu. I just don't like it when people talk about how terrible the metro start screen is because I really enjoy it...
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And?
Windows 8 is going to need much more than that done for people to like it. Absolutely useless OS. It will be cast into the shadows of Windows 7's greatness.

This x all the people out there frustrated with Win8. 8 is just another ME, just another Vista.

To be honest, I have to thank M$ if it wasn't for Win8 there wouldn't be so many customers requesting to upgrade to Windows 7. Cha-ching!
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I love windows 8. I got rid of my ipad 4 after trying win8 on my tx2 tablet. It has so much more functionality than the Ipad its amazing. Ipad 4 is cumbersome to use in comparison. Microsoft did an excellent job with this OS. All the students at GSU are already raving about win8 and throwing out their Ipads.
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Although it means a lot more if a bunch of different people say they don't like it rather than the same people over and over.

God thank you for the sense. I'm not trying to say that it should or should not be changed, I was really just trying to say that, ultimately, you won't change the opinion of one consumer or another just by re-beating this old horse. I think everyone has formed their opinions and will act accordingly by now. Don't you?
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And?
Windows 8 is going to need much more than that done for people to like it. Absolutely useless OS. It will be cast into the shadows of Windows 7's greatness.

Have you even used the OS?

It's much better than Windows 7, with the only exception being Metro.
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Ok, now we're talking! I admitted in a previous post that usage patterns vary wildly, and that is why Microsoft should account for that, especially when one usage pattern involves using the Start menu frequently.
There is another way to organize your icons while not leaving the desktop, you can increase the size of the taskbar up to almost half the screen, and then select the Auto-hide the taskbar option (or not at all if you have it running on another screen), that will allow you the convenience of having lots of space to have everything organized and also not leaving the desktop.
From a design point of view, there is no efficient way to have a secondary desktop taking you away from the one we already have in Windows 7, I just have the feeling that Microsoft still didn't get it right.
They have been playing with the idea of an active desktop since the days of Internet Explorer 4 for Windows 95, that was actually much more than just a web browser, it turned the desktop into something that would later translate into the desktop gadgets, that Microsoft conveniently dropped for Windows 8, going as far as suggesting people just turn off the service altogether in Windows Vista and Windows 7, because the very existence of gadgets (no matter how well implemented they are), triggers the question - why do you need to have live tiles in a different desktop when you can and do have them in Windows 7 on the desktop ? And why do Metro apps have to run fullscreen when they are fully vectorized ? And why can't they run on the desktop like any other application, in windowed mode if one wants, and have a close button like any other application ? And why don't running Metro apps reside in the taskbar we all know and instead have to reside on their own taskbar ?

Hmm, I like to see my running programs at all times, so auto-hiding the taskbar just doesn't do it for me. I do find it annoying when Metro apps hide, so I find myself actively thinking to make sure to close the Metro app every time, which is a minor annoyance. Pretty much the only Metro app that I don't close is weather, since I tend to switch in and out of it.

I tend to throw windows all over my 3 screens, so having a taskbar that takes up half of one screen doesn't work. In fact, one of the things I love about Windows 8 multimonitor support is the cloning of the taskbar across all three screens, so I can access it no matter what screen I'm paying attention to. The only thing I wish it had was context awareness of which screen you open it in. It tends to default to the last screen it was opened in, instead of the screen you clicked the icon on.

I loved gadgets, and I was sad when they got rid of it. Until Metro can be pinned to a screen and not minimize when using the desktop, it cannot replace gadgets. I loved being able to see what was going on in my system at all times, monitor temps, etc. However, none of the GPU gadgets support the latest GPUs, so I gave up on that. All CPU Meter was awesome, wish a live tile with that functionality and the ability to pin open the start screen would come to Windows 8.

I think Microsoft designed Metro apps to act as a tablet program first, with reduced usability with a mouse and keyboard as a second. Letting it have an icon on the taskbar while simultaneously appearing in the side taskbar would be beneficial in a hybrid environment though. The close button... are Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 apps the same program that automatically adjusts to the device (like Android), or are they completely different programs under the same name (like Apple)? I think the answer to this might explain (or might not) some of the design decisions behind Metro apps.

But as we both seem to agree upon, there are a ton of obvious improvements that need to be done with Windows 8, and I feel like Microsoft will address those . It's just a matter of time.
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God thank you for the sense. I'm not trying to say that it should or should not be changed, I was really just trying to say that, ultimately, you won't change the opinion of one consumer or another just by re-beating this old horse. I think everyone has formed their opinions and will act accordingly by now. Don't you?

I do think so. However, civilized discussions about these things have let me gain new insight and knowledge into how other people work things, and showed me facets of the OS that I didn't know before. It's the useless hate/love posts that are annoying and nonconstructive.
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