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So I'm not allowed to correct things that are wrong?
No, you're not allowed to tell people to jump left because you in a sudden like to jump left. Your want to limit and change your user experience isn't a god-blessed right to demand the same from everyone else but you.
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Because it's sad when people over complicate things. Could Windows 8 use a few changes? Sure. But we don't need to go back to the old start button ways. You're right, I can't change opinions but I can correct people where they are wrong. Whether they choose to accept that is up to them. So far I just see more blind hate for no start button than anything else. Last thing I'll say in here because no one will actually get it anyways.

I know you believe that the others are wrong. What I said is why do you keep trying to put your reason in them, it just has no sence. There is no way ever that the one side is going to convince the other. It's cool at first for everyone to try to show to the other his/her points but this has been going for days! Nothing will change you are just two sides arguing for absolutely no reason in the end.
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I've always said it was stupid not to give people the choice between the new interface and the old. Especially since this OS is trying to bridge the gap between desktop and mobile. MS always gave us classic Windows support so it makes no sense that they totally disallowed usage of the old start menu. I just don't like it when people talk about how terrible the metro start screen is because I really enjoy it...

No doubt some people like Metro, just like some people don't. There will always be Ford guys and Chevy guys. Neither is right, neither is wrong, it's just a matter of choice.

Microsoft was STUPID to do what they did, not provide choice, and they are paying for it in lost sales.
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No doubt some people like Metro, just like some people don't. There will always be Ford guys and Chevy guys. Neither is right, neither is wrong, it's just a matter of choice.
Microsoft was STUPID to do what they did, not provide choice, and they are paying for it in lost sales.

This!

I´m thinking the same way. Microsoft need to give us the startmenu back. Metro is fine for mobile devices (and some like it for deskops) but still not enough for Desktops and Workings stations. Win7 was doing it already really good.
And in the end is always better to give people the chance to choice between it.
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Hm.
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Both of you miss the bigger picture, the threads concept was that its so easy a child can use it. That is true, it is so easy a child can use it. Much like Windows 7 and Vista and XP, etc. etc. Because children only do children's stuff.

I, and many others, stipulated that there are so many shady tricks under the engine such as Mountain Lion's Gatekeeper everyone SHOULD be pissed and threatened. "Who cares that you don't have a Start-Menu?" Is the argument many make in defense of the OS. This is just a scratch on the surface of the entire operating system.

First of all, regarding a Start Menu, its common sense, to not take it out. Has nothing to do with anti-change, it's anti-common sense. I don't mind that others like MetroUI but it should have been optional on or off, even if its the first choice you make when installing the operating system for users. With the ability to switch back and forth readily.

Secondly, MetroUI is a misnomer. The entire desktop is embedded into MetroUI whether you are using it or not. Right there its wasted over head. We have standard functionality ONLY because a third party has made it so. I have nothing against the profiting off it either, Stardock's Start8 is I think 5$ now. This is no one should have to pay for. Back to MetroUI being a misnomer, its completely integrated with an Administrative lock down. User Administrators are no longer Admin, but are considered "Soft Admin" a type of blended shell layered 3rd Party Software Administrator ONLY. You have to go into your local security policies to disable this extra layers of protection from users, ONLY after you have figured out how to natively convert your account to a local user, then a local admin, and have UAC switched off via GUI interface. Then you can must make the changes in LocSec. Furthermore, this is just UAC, which acts like OSX Gatekeeper, you are still no longer a true administrator to your OS. The only administrator is the Windows 8 internal Administrator account, which must be logged into to make all systemic level changes.

Managing this is already a nightmare. I can't imagine the headache of deploying this operating system as a customizeable image. Windows 8 Enterprise is even worse from my initial observations. It is inherently even more lock down, anticipating global lockdown policies, more than likely not even remotely compatible with Active Directory policies currently in place. Nothing yet seen with a Domain style of network security enabled.

Windows 7 is no picknic to properly manage and Windows 8 takes it a level way beyond that by adding security between the Local Administrator and the Internal Administrator proceedings.

Further MS Operating System Fubars:

Microsoft has the ability forced, repeatedly reset by "updates", to disable unsigned applications from running/installing. No way around this except disabling a chunk of internal security and services, which disable half of the MetroUI, Updates, and Tiles.

Microsoft has the ability to remotely disable a signed executable, by declaring it unsigned.

Microsoft has the ability to remove drivers that might be deemed, unstable, unsigned, or corrupted, and now in addition, the result of 2 sequential BSODs. Without asking.

Microsoft updates a library of definitions integrated to internal systems to prevent you from running anything it feels you shouldn't.

Disabling some of the above systems disable integration of the TileOS with Tile applications. Disabling the UAC/MetroUI functionality can lead to system corruption of the Virtual File System and prevent the LUAFV Service to run period.

If you used a LIVE/Hotmail/MSN account to log in at any time during the operating system, your credentials are completely unremovable from that system simply due to obfuscation, not through purpose. Still no excuse.

Activation service constantly runs periodically despite being disarmed or disabled, leading me to believe Microsoft's stance has switched to active piracy reduction. I have nothing against this except the manner in which I discovered is through low level event log viewing and outbound packet sniffing/tracking. I guarantee you offline systems will and foremost suffer the most activation issues ranging from system disabling itself to force connectivity till its verified you have a legitimate license.

If you plan on pirating this OS, for whatever reason, its relatively cheap, your computer will be identified, and more than likely the ability to identify the user to a 99% accuracy which is readily available.

The vast majority of users support these actions? I sure as hell don't.

I am also wondering why nobody talks about this either. Do people simply not know about it or do they choose not to care? I can't be the only one.

Things that make you go 'hm.'
    
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Any compatibility issues would soon evaporate given a little time thumb.gif I know a lot of people have a had a couple of issues early on in the previews but now everything should be smooth sailing for gaming on Windows 8. If anything it'll be drive support from AMD or NV letting you down.
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this, every one of my steam games works fine on win 8.

with me its those damn non steam MMOs that i play, that use the crummy INCA gameguard software that wont start (because INCA is being slow at updating gameguard)
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I would really love to see metro combine with Pokki. I would love a non-fullscreen start menu (running 1440p) like pokki, with classic on the left for quick navigation, and live tiles and live icons where Pokki has semi-live update icons. This should be fully customizable to ones preference. I would also like the option to have MS metro/live tiles stuck to the side of one of my screens like you can already do. I think this would provide the best of both works. And for their sake, make the Windows store a removable default tile.

Beyond the full screen start, I love 8.
    
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