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Windows 8 Pro SME (Start Menu Edition) anyone ? biggrin.gif

If they get rid of metro and add the start menu, I'll reinstall in a heartbeat. Although it might as well never happen. I don't think they'll ever drop Metro again. It's too good of a feature for touch to remove it now. I kinda wish they had released 2 different branches of the OS from the start.

Windows PC :

Windows 8 x86/x64
Windows 8 Pro x64
Windows 8 Enterprise x64

For Tablets and other mobile devices :

Windows 8 Mini x86 / ARM

Just my personal business plan tongue.gif
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i see alot of people defending windows 8 which is fine, but you're all defending it from a professional and enthusiast point.......like 90% of people don't give a damn about kernel and gaming improvements.......they care about comfort, ease of use, the ability to have what they feel comfortable with, and most importantly "is this crap worth spending the money on in order to upgrade my old rig?".....well the short answer is NO!, unless you all think that EVEYONE has to go out and buy a new computer in order to do so......why in the hell do i need to go out of my way to spend money on something that in reality is not really going to improve anything important AND i will have to spend time learning new things WHICH ARE NOT IMPORTANT!!!.......i build and repair rigs on a regular basis......when people come over, i let them play with a windows 8 pc while i work on theirs......9 out of 10 who come hate the living crap out of it AND don't care about upgrading.......now, those are horrible numbers.......everyone who uses it says "how can i get the start menu back on?"......it is an option that should've been there from the start, pun intended.......now when that reg hack came out to enable it, if was obvious that MS left it there for a reason......but when they removed it, it showed forced adjustment......nobody likes that......i'm a customer, and i'll buy things when I think that it is nesessary to......you don't want me to buy?......then don't friggin' cry about poor sales then!!!

Bingo. I think the only market for putting this on a PC is the enthusiast market. But they lost them when they put metro in, and the start menu out.
Your average PC user is not going to upgrade to Windows 8 from Windows 7. As far as they are concerned, there is no reason to.rolleyes.gif
 
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Bingo. I think the only market for putting this on a PC is the enthusiast market. But they lost them when they put metro in, and the start menu out.
Your average PC user is not going to upgrade to Windows 8 from Windows 7. As far as they are concerned, there is no reason to.rolleyes.gif

Your average PC user is not going to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8 regardless of what it was like. Your average PC user will buy Windows 8 when they buy a new computer, and they won't bother putting Windows 7 back on because it functions almost exactly the same.

And since when was the enthusiast market a significant force in the PC industry?
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Your average PC user is not going to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8 regardless of what it was like. Your average PC user will buy Windows 8 when they buy a new computer, and they won't bother putting Windows 7 back on because it functions almost exactly the same.
And since when was the enthusiast market a significant force in the PC industry?

This. People not liking the start menu as a reason for this rumour is quite frankly ridiculous.

The problem with "the internet" is that "the internet" believes that the internet is directly equivalent to real life.

The problem can be seen in the retail market imo.

MS makes most of their OS sales from businesses and OEMs/Manufacturers.

Almost a month after Windows 8 has launched, new Windows 8 hardware (the ones people are really excited/waiting for) availability is scarce, meaning license purchasing is also going to be scarce.

Since when has general consumer purchases made up much of MS's sales in any case?

I don't seem to remember any "everyones just gone out and spent 70 quid on a new Windows!" threads at any point in the past.
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Your average PC user is not going to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8 regardless of what it was like. Your average PC user will buy Windows 8 when they buy a new computer, and they won't bother putting Windows 7 back on because it functions almost exactly the same.
And since when was the enthusiast market a significant force in the PC industry?

Like I said, I don't believe the average PC user is going to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows8. That includes buying a new computer with Windows 8 on it, when they already own one with Windows 7 on it. Windows 8 may actually be detrimental to new PC sales. Especially with a lot of enthusiast giving it the thumbs down. Your average PC user gets there PC buying info from either the salesman selling them the computer, or more than likely, there family enthusiast.thumb.gif
I think you under estimate the power of the enthusiast.biggrin.gif
 
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HATERS MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO HATE ANYMORE!!! wheee.gif
Yeah, because the start menu was obviously why we all hate that OS. (sarcasm)
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I think you can forget OS sales from businesses. I don't see that happening myself. But that has been discussed to great lengths already.
My company still runs Windows Xp on there desktops.rolleyes.gif
 
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It has kernel improvements, random memory allocation (no overflow based attacks pretty much), quite a few orders of magnitude of improvements to chkdsk, and so much more.
Get used to it.

What part of that could not have been put into a W7 Service Pack 2?

Just think of the radical changes between XP SP2 and SP3, wireless finally worked after the update.

And metro could just as well be a shell replacement app like all the others (Sharp Enviro, KDE, etc.)
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Like I said, I don't believe the average PC user is going to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows8. That includes buying a new computer with Windows 8 on it, when they already own one with Windows 7 on it. Windows 8 may actually be detrimental to new PC sales. Especially with a lot of enthusiast giving it the thumbs down. Your average PC user gets there PC buying info from either the salesman selling them the computer, or more than likely, there family enthusiast.thumb.gif
I think you under estimate the power of the enthusiast.biggrin.gif

Maybe, but you shouldn't overestimate it either.

I said nothing about why they would buy a new PC. I do realize that people only buy a new PC when it the old one feels too slow, can't do something they want to do, or breaks. The OS included on the new PC has very little to do with their decision to buy a new PC or not.

Also, Windows 7 is going to be phased out relatively quickly on OEM PCs, and within a few months the only OEM PC you can buy will have Windows 8.
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What part of that could not have been put into a W7 Service Pack 2?
Just think of the radical changes between XP SP2 and SP3, wireless finally worked after the update.
And metro could just as well be a shell replacement app like all the others (Sharp Enviro, KDE, etc.)

Nothing.

But service packs are free, and the new way of introducing a service pack (aka Windows 8), makes they $30 to $130 a pop. biggrin.gif

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Also, Windows 7 is going to be phased out relatively quickly on OEM PCs, and within a few months the only OEM PC you can buy will have Windows 8.

Actually it won't be. You will still be able to get Windows 7 on just about all major brands (HP, Dell, etc) until at least Q4 of 2013. Also, given the ELUA of Windows 8, you can always "downgrade" to Windows 7, even beyond that date.

Mainstream support for 7 will last until 2015, and extended support until 2020 ... that is, unless there is such and outcry like there was with Windows XP, and Microsoft is forced to extend both supports longer.

Windows 7 isn't going away any time soon.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 11/18/12 at 2:29pm
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