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Digital Broadband Cable internet has finally came available in my area. via Cass Comm cable company.

They offer the following services: These prices are for when you have internet only and none of their other services. Some prices are cheaper if you bundle.
  1. 5M Down / 1M Up==$44.95
  2. 10M Down / 2M Up==$59.95
  3. 15M Down / 4M Up==$99.95


I think some of the higher speed services are a little too expensive. I think $75 for 15M Down would be more realistic and maybe lower the price of the 10M Down speed by a few dollars.

Anyway, I will be signing up for the option number 1=5M Down / 1M Up for $44.95/month.

Cass informed me that if I use my own equipment in my home and they don't provide any, such as the cable modem, they will take $5 off my monthly bill.

So, I will end up paying $39.95 per month for 5M Down / 1M Up + the cost of the equipment I initially purchase.


So now I am finally getting to my question. Just to let anyone know, I do know what I am talking about with networking. I have been working with computers and networking for years now and I'm finally going back to school to finish my AAS in Computer Networking (program is called CNET at my school), which I am almost finished with.

I need to know what equipment I should get for this cable internet service. I could buy a cable modem and a wireless router as two separate devices. Run an ethernet cable from the cable modem to the WAN input on whatever wireless router I decide to go with, or I could get a device that integrates the cable modem and the wireless router into one device, but I am having trouble finding devices like that. I would rather have one network device to do it all but I also don't mind much if I have to have a 1xRJ45 output cable modem running to a wireless router for my network.

I want a good, high-quality cable modem, whether it is integrated into the wireless router or a device on its own. My internet speed is only going to be 5M/1M so I don't need those expensive ones that claim then can handle up to like 24M down or whatever. I'm not rich so I want to save as much money as possible in getting my equipment.

I am thinking that I want to just go ahead and go with the two devices instead of everything built into one. That way if the cable modem stops working I will still have my network...just no internet access. Then I could just RMA the cable modem to get it replaced.

I need the network to be functional at all times because I run a machine with Windows Server 2008 R2(soon to be upgraded to Windows Server 2012). All the users(my family members) library files, such as pictures, documents, music, videos and other important files are backed up to the server on a regular basis. It is setup now so that there is multiple pieces of hardware that could fail and we would still have our important data somewhere. I use the file services role on the server so that users/groups I have given permissions to can access the data on the file server. I also plan to use this server for additional roles and features in the future to make my home network more centrally managed.

So what is a good, reliable cable internet modem that I can buy from newegg at a reasonable price. I am not having any problems finding wireless routers on newegg, but I'm having a hard time finding cable internet modems at reasonable prices.

The router I was thinking about getting is the Linksys WRT54GL. It must be good with the massive amount of positive reviews even though it isn't new by any means. Also, as of right now, none of my devices support 802.11n so I really have no need to get a wireless router/switch with 802.11n.
Features I want the Wireless Router I get to include are support for DD-WRT. I also want the Wireless Router to be capable of running in AP mode, of course, but also in client mode just in case I have that need in the future.


Sorry this is such a long post, I was just trying to get all of the information down with the first post. The main thing is, I've like to get links to cable internet modems that I could use with the cable internet I will be getting hooked up soon. All of the cable internet modems I've found on newegg cost way too much. Ranging from $75 to over $100. I was hoping to pick one up for less than $50.

I hope someone can help me decide on some reasonably priced equipment for this new cable internet I will be getting soon. It looks like I might have to go to ebay to get the modem, unless someone here on OCN has a good cable internet modem that they are looking to sell...if so, send me a pm with the details.
Edited by Dark Volker - 11/19/12 at 12:30pm
   
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Just go to eBay and buy any working DOCSIS 2.0 modem. There are only a few brands and models. I got mine for $20-25 and it's still good two years later (24Mbps/3Mbps).


You might as well buy a newer 802.11n residential gateway that supports DD-WRT (there are plenty). The current version of the WRT54GL is neutered compare to the older revisions... not really worth getting. Besides, Black Friday is coming and residential gateways are always on sale.
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So the cable modem that I'm going to link to below will be a good one for my home network?

DOCSIS 2.0 Cable Modem

What 802.11n wireless router would you suggest for me? I really don't want to spend more than $50 on a router but there is some wiggle room. I do run a machine with Windows Server 2008 R2 as mentioned in the OP, but I don't run Active Directory. I mainly use it for file sharing, backups, and a centralized interface to detect and diagnose problems with machines on my network.

I want to go with a brand that offers lengthy warranties and has good service with people that are pleasant to deal with in case I ever have problems with the router I decide to purchase.

I'd like to have a wireless router with at least 2x external antennas so that there is something I can do if I'm having coverage problems. I do not like the routers that have the internal antennas.

I'm not really sure what the best brands are for these wireless routers.

What about any of these routers:
  1. Rosewill RNX-N360RT
  2. TP-Link TL-WR841N
  3. D-Link DIR-615
  4. Asus RT-N12/B1


Out of those, it seems that the Asus is the only open-source router that can be flashed with DD-WRT. I might not even do it, but I think I would like to have that option. What do you think about those 4 choices? Maybe there are ones of the same brand and similar to what I found but are open-source and support being flashed with DD-WRT?

I don't know, I just want to get the most for my money and don't want to have to go buy another one in 6 months to 2 years because the one I am getting ready to buy was missing something that I needed. I greatly appreciate your help.
   
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I called the cable company to let them know that I will have the DOCSIS 2.0 modem and they recommended that I get a DOCSIS 3.0 modem. Does this really matter because I can get the 2.0 for less than $30 new and the 3.0 is going to cost me at least $40.00
   
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So will I be okay with getting the DOCSIS 2.0 cable modem for my 5M Down / 1M Up cable internet, or should I spend a little extra to get the DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem?

If DuckieHo's cable internet running at 24M down / 3M up with a DOCSIS 2.0 does just fine, shouldn't mine with the much slower speeds be okay with a DOCSIS 2.0 as well?


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Just go to eBay and buy any working DOCSIS 2.0 modem. There are only a few brands and models. I got mine for $20-25 and it's still good two years later (24Mbps/3Mbps).


EDIT: From doing some research, if my cable companies equipment is running DOCSIS 3.0 and I use a DOCSIS 2.0 modem. My link will take the lowest since they are backwards compatible. The cable internet speeds that I am signing up for don't come anywhere near to the maximum speeds that either 2.0 or 3.0 can support. 2.0 is supposed to be able to handle speeds up to 38M Downstream and 27M Upstream. From what I understand, 3.0 allows for more channels to be used for a cable internet link so the speed of 3.0 is determined by the number of channels multiplied by 38M which if 2 channels were used, would allow for a downstream speed of 76M. My speeds are only supposed to be 5M Down and 1M Up, so the differences between using a DOCSIS 2.0 or 3.0 shouldn't affect me at all.

Please correct me if I am understanding this wrong.
Edited by Dark Volker - 11/19/12 at 2:14pm
   
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It okay until you hit over 24 here in Canada.
As DOCSIS2 is a shared spectrum some people especially with upgraded speed are experiencing congestion with DOCSIS2 connections.

Unless you plan to upgrade to a higher speed tier in the future you should be fine. For people running on higher speed connections this may change soon as the speeds pass the maximum theoretical speed of 42 megabits download on DOCSIS2.
I figured for 30 dollars more that time I matter as well upgrade to a Thompson DCM475 ($99) and the SB5101N for $60.
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So I talked to the guy today that was running the fiber optics to my house for the cable internet that I will be getting soon. He told me that their company will soon be upgrading all their equipment to DOCSIS 3.0 and if I buy a 2.0 modem now, I will have to upgrade to a 3.0 modem later for my cable internet to work at all.

I'm looking for the cheapest place to purchase my DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem. So far the cheapest I have found for new equipment is about $75 between ebay and newegg. Is there somewhere else that I can get a new docsis 3.0 cable modem for cheaper? Thanks!
   
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Just to be clear, is the engineer running fibre to your house or coaxial copper? Most "fibre broadband" is in fact hybrid, where fibre runs to the cabinet in the street from the NOC and then copper runs from the cabinet to your premises.
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He told me that he was actually running fiber to the house, along with all the other houses of the new customers on my street. He said there will be a box on the front of my house that resembles the telephone companies box that will have the fiber going in one side and the coax cable coming out the other end.

We have a new digital cable company in our area and they said they completely updated the entire cable infrastructure in this area and they had to run all around town stringing new lines on the telephone poles and some stuff underground.

I know what he told me though was that he was stringing fiber optics to the outside of our home. He told me they are going to be fully upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0 soon and will have speeds very much faster than their current 5/1 10/2 and 15/4.

I'm assuming we are going to have speeds easily above 100M(depending on how many channels they use out of the available 8 with that technology, then there are the 4 channels available for upstream) down once they fully upgrade to DOCSIS 3.0. Those kind of speeds will probably be very expensive though.


384M downstream using all 8 channels would be a very nice connection though.thumb.gif
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Excellent! biggrin.gif Although...if they are stringing fibre to the outside of your house, I would think that the coax from the fibre box would go to the cable TV box, and Ethernet from the fibre box would go to your router.

Unless the coax from the box goes to a splitter inside the house, and from the splitter you have a coax line going to the set top box and another one going to the DOCSIS modem? This is how Virgin Media do their cable TV and Internet access here in the UK.
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