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I always think it's funny when people try to ban things from war. The waring countries will not listen anyway and just do it for example in the vietnam war.

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Im not sure what are you refering to as "tell that to the Japanese". The reactors they had were of satisfactory safety at that point regarding what they knew. If they knew that such earthquakes as was in 2011 (7.something amplitude) combined with a (10?meter) tsunami were a possibilty, they would have planned for that when they were building the plants. [to my knowlodge these were quite old reactors --- boiling water if im not mistaken]
and as to newer reactors being dangerous? everything is dangerous if not used properly... gas lines can explode ... silicon cleansing fabrics can get a leak and poison water... yaddayaddayadda
It doesn't take a genius to know that 7+ scale earthquakes and ten meter tsunami are possible along the Ring of Fire. My region is overdue for an 8+ lasting over 15 minutes followed by a 150 foot tsunami. I have prepared myself and a number of my loved ones for just such an event.

"Everything is dangerous if not used properly" is not an excuse to throw one's hands in the air, shrug and say "Oh well". Worst case scenarios have to be considered. Nuclear reactors with a possibility of exploding are items with a worst case scenario that is prohibitively dangerous.

This is getting a little too off topic though, unless we move towards asking what the worst case scenario for militarized robots is.
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I am %100 FOR killer robots. better machines then men fighting for NATOs interests
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For anyone who has so far voiced their support FOR use of robots, I ask you if you have played any of the Metal Gear series. Often the strongest messages of warnings come from science fiction. If you remove the pain, agony, distress, and violence against man during a war, you detach the reason war is considered bad in the first place. You make it easier or more justifiable to wage a war when no one is getting killed. Perpetual war becomes easier to stomach without human loss. But as another good quote goes, "War. War never changes." It's a dangerous slope where being politically correct is the absolute worst thing you can do and the worst offense you can perform is inaction while evil takes action.

In Metal Gear with nothing but robots fighting wars, the battles become more and more a game, where players with power do battle in lands neither have interest in, but those people who live in those battlegrounds will grow into hatred and despair. They grow knowing the only way to stop the war is to join it and win, and it just continues. We don't need robots who can fire weapons without the risk to a human's life. It is only palpable while only one side can do it and only on a limited basis(US). As soon as both sides start to do it, it has to stop and escalate immediately or risk perpetual war. It's just not worth it.

Sorry if this post is too polarized but I don't see how you can comment on the OP without having some form of bias.
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For anyone who has so far voiced their support FOR use of robots, I ask you if you have played any of the Metal Gear series. Often the strongest messages of warnings come from science fiction. If you remove the pain, agony, distress, and violence against man during a war, you detach the reason war is considered bad in the first place. You make it easier or more justifiable to wage a war when no one is getting killed. Perpetual war becomes easier to stomach without human loss. But as another good quote goes, "War. War never changes." It's a dangerous slope where being politically correct is the absolute worst thing you can do and the worst offense you can perform is inaction while evil takes action.

In Metal Gear with nothing but robots fighting wars, the battles become more and more a game, where players with power do battle in lands neither have interest in, but those people who live in those battlegrounds will grow into hatred and despair. They grow knowing the only way to stop the war is to join it and win, and it just continues. We don't need robots who can fire weapons without the risk to a human's life. It is only palpable while only one side can do it and only on a limited basis(US). As soon as both sides start to do it, it has to stop and escalate immediately or risk perpetual war. It's just not worth it.

Sorry if this post is too polarized but I don't see how you can comment on the OP without having some form of bias.
the world is already full of war. its already full of people dying, robots just saves lives, not waists them. plus, they are entirely programmed by us so things like massicures and civilian killing can be effectively eliminated.
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I am %100 FOR killer robots. better machines then men fighting for NATOs interests
YOU CAN'T STOP ME MEATBAGS!!!!!
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For anyone who has so far voiced their support FOR use of robots, I ask you if you have played any of the Metal Gear series. Often the strongest messages of warnings come from science fiction. If you remove the pain, agony, distress, and violence against man during a war, you detach the reason war is considered bad in the first place. You make it easier or more justifiable to wage a war when no one is getting killed. Perpetual war becomes easier to stomach without human loss. But as another good quote goes, "War. War never changes." It's a dangerous slope where being politically correct is the absolute worst thing you can do and the worst offense you can perform is inaction while evil takes action.
In Metal Gear with nothing but robots fighting wars, the battles become more and more a game, where players with power do battle in lands neither have interest in, but those people who live in those battlegrounds will grow into hatred and despair. They grow knowing the only way to stop the war is to join it and win, and it just continues. We don't need robots who can fire weapons without the risk to a human's life. It is only palpable while only one side can do it and only on a limited basis(US). As soon as both sides start to do it, it has to stop and escalate immediately or risk perpetual war. It's just not worth it.
Sorry if this post is too polarized but I don't see how you can comment on the OP without having some form of bias.
I don't think it is polarizing at all. Taking the human element out of war has been a major push as of late, and you are correct to see this as a step in that direction. Killing people has already been reduced to pushing a red button when the diamond and the square come together and blink (accompanied by a higher pitched sound). Taking the human out of the equation makes it a lot easier to label dead civilians "collateral damage". It is a logical step after that to declare the civilian an "insurgent" and use the militarized robot to "prevent casualties on our side". This is how war becomes a video game to nations where the war is not waged, and a way of life in the nations it is waged. As an example, take the 1992 movie Patriot Games. To the individuals in the War Room, a silhouette falling to the ground is a thing to celebrate (That is a kill!), not a person who has just lost their life.
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If we followed the lessons "taught" be fiction we'd all hide our heads in the ground and ban any and all research. We would halt and ban all research into better computers, genetic engineering, robotics, theoretical physics, astrophysics, seti, space exploration, nuclear power, communications, .... the list goes on.

Somehow I'm not inclined to halt all advancement of human knowledge because of some story books and movies.
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We just need more safety measures to avoid civilian casualties and prevent the machine from going berserk.
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I wonder what Robots would of done if they were with the UN in Goma the other day, let the M23 rebels walk in or killed them?
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