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I can't wait for it. its time for an upgrade and see Intel's punch in the face to AMD. I am also interesting in how AMD will respond.
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I can't wait for it. its time for an upgrade and see Intel's punch in the face to AMD. I am also interesting in how AMD will respond.
AMD is already taking a different route from Intel. They are no longer competing.
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subbed to read later. from what little i read, it was very interesting:)
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nor is a new power architecture desirable for cost optimized products (e.g. desktops)

Does this line bother anyone else?
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I think the AT article covered more.

I cannot seem to find that one, could you or someone else link it please? I'd appreciate it.

Great read, a bit of a tough one for me but still interesting nontheless.
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I cannot seem to find that one, could you or someone else link it please? I'd appreciate it.
Great read, a bit of a tough one for me but still interesting nontheless.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture
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I think the AT article covered more.
AT gets a bit more in depth with the L3 cache changes and touches on sleep states/power management, while this article completely ignores it. This article also makes no mention of the increased L3 latency that the AT article mentions. The RWT article does a better job on memory hierarchy. AT does a better job of writing it in a way that you can actually understand what's going on.
I'd say just read the AT article. I love both sites, but this is far too technical to keep track of everything that's going on, and the AT article hits subjects that aren't mentioned here.
Also, this article puts Haswell at 10% faster than Sandy Bridge in existing applications. Anand Shimpi predicted 5-15% over Ivy Bridge per clock. I think the RWT article, annoyingly, uses Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge interchangeably. So I guess 10% on average, before potential clock speed increases.

The RWT article is about the architecture design rather than the implementation details. Cache latencies and sleep states don't have a direct impact on that design and that's why the aren't covered to any great extent. I agree that the article is quite technical, but that's what makes it great. biggrin.gif

The reason why Ivy bridge and sandy bridge are used interchangeably is that the big-picture architecture didn't change (the changes were lower than the level of abstraction presented in the RWT article, so they aren't significant from that perspective).
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AMD is already taking a different route from Intel. They are no longer competing.

Good I hate those guys. I got my first Quad core from AMD and it sucked terribly.
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post #19 of 33
Quote:
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Also, this article puts Haswell at 10% faster than Sandy Bridge in existing applications. Anand Shimpi predicted 5-15% over Ivy Bridge per clock. I think the RWT article, annoyingly, uses Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge interchangeably. So I guess 10% on average, before potential clock speed increases.

I guess that would be a pretty good increase.

Might as well just do a quick inexpensive build now while I wait for Haswell.
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The nerd fanboyism is strong in this thread. Having owned both a 2500k and a fx 8350 I can honestly say. I like both chip makers thumb.gif.
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