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Hi guys, I will be building a new computer this year, and I was with Intel's i5-3570k the whole way through. AD's new processors are now out and bring an explosive competition. Some claim that the FX - 8350 can overclock to 5 GHz easily, that sounds pretty great! But I have also heard that although AMD claims to have 8 cores, not all cores are ever used or something like that. I have posted a previous thread about the AMD 7870 I'm planning on buying, when people told me that an Intel i5 3570k would be the best processor to receive the full performance of my 7870. Any the main question is:

Which processor do you recommend and why, the AMD FX8350 or the Intel i5 3570k?

My components:

Case: Corsair 500r
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 Closed Loop Water Cooling
Graphics Card: GIGABYTE GV-R787OC-2GD Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
Power Supply: CORSAIR TX Series 750TX 750W
HDD: OCZ Agility 3 240GB SSD
Monitor: LG 22" IPS LED 1920 x 1080

With Intel:

CPU- i5 3570k
MoBo- ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77

With AMD:

CPU- AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo)
MoBo- ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Professional AM3+ AMD 990FX



Although, this AsRock motherboard for AMD is pretty expensive for my budget. I would also consider the:

GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514

Which is a full $70 under the price of the AsRock, but I love the Design and Color scheme of the AsRock, and I am also scared of the BIOS on Gigabyte boards. They are not UEFI Bios, while AsRock has one of the best BIOS systems out there. I will be overclocking both my CPU and Video Card, so I might be in and out of the BIOS...

Questions:

1. Should I dislike Gigabyte boards because of their BIOS?
2. Is a Corsair H60 cool enough to take my FX 8350 to 4.8 to 5, or my i5 3570k to 4.5? If not, which cooler can? (I have a budget, while on sale, the Corsair H60 can be $40 after rebate, so no more that $60)
3. AMD only has PCI 2.0, should I avoid this?
4. The AMD FX 8350 Boasts 8 cores, does that do anything for me?
5. Which CPU will help me get the best out of my system?
6. What can Intel provide that AMD can't?
7. What can AMD provide, that Intel can't?

Thank You Very Much guys!!!!!!!thumb.gif
Edited by KamikazeKazzazi - 11/20/12 at 4:12pm
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Dude, don't go with AMD.


I had amd X6 1055T @4ghz for the past 2 years, then bought 3770K and it rocks gaming and working with videos/ photos
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are you located by a microcenter? they have the 3770k i7 for 229.99 and 40 off any z77 board and the 2500k is 99 dollars this week..and i would go with at least a h80 or h100..they just came out with the new revision the i searies..but if your going for budget a hyper 212 will get you 4.5 on a 3570k..i cant speak for the amd..i never have tested the new arch. and amd 8 core is a joke!!!! wait a few more gens so amd can get there together before diveing into a 8 core from amd.pci 2.0 vs 3.0 only takes effect in benchmarks..not in real world performance.the only thing amd has over intel is if you are not getting a dedicated graphics card..the onboard on the fx is twice that of the intel hd4000..and either processer and last gens processers will run your card..no problem..it starts to bottleneck when you run 3 or more cards.or 2 very high powered cards
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Being an Intel groupy myself, I would definitely boast for the Intel team on this one.

What I have heard is that while the AMD has 8 cores, most (if not all) programs and processes out now can't utilize all 8 cores at once, and while yeah you can have different programs running using processing bandwidth from different cores, the architecture of the Sandy/Ivy is way better and core to core it performs much better than the AMD.

Intel can provide SSD Caching...? Not sure if AMD offers that too rolleyes.gif

Another note which I don't know whether you are aware of or not, but I'll say it anyways. The new Ivy Bridge chipset for Intel overclocks much differently from it's predecessor Sandybridge. Subsequently, it overclocks a bit hotter. Either way the H60 should get you to 4.5 most likely fine, though I might consider just going with aircooling on this one. Hyper 212 plus = budget and efficient. There are different, and unique, techniques you need to use to overclock effectively for Sandybridge, Here is a guide on that if you decide to go with the 3570k for the build, which I definitively suggest.

Best of luck with the build, if you have any further questions regarding anything I have said, feel free to ask!
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Edited by ThreeT3n - 11/20/12 at 4:12pm
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Damn, I hate sounding nooby...but it helps me learn!

What is SSD caching?

I will be getting an OCZ Agility 3 240GB SSD.
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8320 and UD3 FTW!

1: Dont take advice from groupies because A: They often present their weighted opinions as fact, and B: Why would you want to take advice from someone with no first-hand experience?

2: An 8320 will usually cost about $70-80 cheaper with similarly featured mobos compared to intel.

3: $70-80 is enough dough to be able to buy you a 7950 instead of a 7870 and maybe even a 7970. This will have the most significant and noticeable impact on gaming.

4: Real world differences between an 8350/20 and an i5 are un-noticeable. $80 IS noticeable.

5: The verdict is in, 8350's will match i5's performance and will even outperform i7s in many instances. They're easy and fun to Overclock too. H60 and 5Ghz is not unheard of.
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8320 and UD3 FTW!
1: Dont take advice from groupies because A: They often present their weighted opinions as fact, and B: Why would you want to take advice from someone with no first-hand experience?
2: An 8320 will usually cost about $70-80 cheaper with similarly featured mobos compared to intel.
3: $70-80 is enough dough to be able to buy you a 7950 instead of a 7870 and maybe even a 7970. This will have the most significant and noticeable impact on gaming.
4: Real world differences between an 8350/20 and an i5 are un-noticeable. $80 IS noticeable.
5: The verdict is in, 8350's will match i5's performance and will even outperform i7s in many instances. They're easy and fun to Overclock too. H60 and 5Ghz is not unheard of.

This, both cpu's throw punches at each other and imo they're pretty similar.
A gpu will be a bigger factor to gaming and a stronger gpu means moar fps.
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I would personally go the UD3+8320 route. Why? Because it's 100$ cheaper than the Intel route, and it has plenty power for your needs.

Now if you're exclusively gaming, go with the i5. For anything else, the Piledriver.

Answering some questions, no, you should not fear the Gigabyte. You have been using BIOSes all your life right? Then what's to fear? It's not like they became crap when UEFIs launched.

And the H60 will be plenty enough to do some mild overclocks on that processor.


And in regards to the Carlos's post, he's talking about the 3770k, not the 3570k. Note that part.
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If you're only gaming get the 3570K, think of it this way, the FX-8350 may have 4 more cores, but those cores are not as powerful as the 3570K 4 cores, games even the most demanding ones only use 4 cores, so there really isn't a reason to get a FX-8350 if you're only gaming. Just get a 3570K plus an Asrock Z77 Extreme 4, you'll be able to play games much better. thumb.gif
post #10 of 155
If you play sc2 go with intel.
If you want to go crossifire go with a 3570k.
If you want a pure gaming pc go with a 3570k.
Otherwise you can choose the 8350.
The real world differences between a 8350 and a 3570 are un-noticeable .

The only thing that matters is your budget.
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