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My problem with AMD is that if you go the AMD route you need to get the FX-8320 or the FX-8350 any other FX processor is a waste. My point is if you are going anything lower than the FX-8320 or the FX-8350 you are really losing out on performance. At stock clocks the i3-3220 is a better option than going with the FX-6300 or the FX-4300. If you live near a Microcenter there's no point in going AMD when you can get a UD3H for $95 and a 3570K for $180. I know I'm going to get hammered by the AMD fans here about the i3 statement, but its time to face facts. For gaming anything lower than the FX-8230 is a complete waste of money when you can get a i3 that will outperform the FX-6300/4300 in most gaming situations. The FX-6300 may render videos better and do other multi-threaded work better but you wouldn't be totally blown away by it.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=699
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=700
Look at what you link. There is only 2 games listed Skyrim and Diablo III and most of us here play games at 1920X1080 and higher. Plus who needs more than 120 FPS.
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Not only that but MC is North America only. Everywhere else in the world the i5 is almost always at least $40-50 more for the CPU alone. High end AMD boards are nowhere expensive as high end Intel boards with the same features also. Boards like UD5s, Sabertooths, ROG boards, and good Asrock boards are anywhere between $50-150 cheaper on the AMD side with practically no loss in functionality.
Where I live, an 3570k + a UD5 is $110 more expensive than a 8350 + a UD5, which is the difference between a 7870 and a 7970.

Unless you're after specific features though you wont need a high end board to OC IB or SB to their max. As I've stated previously the Z77-UD3, the original one too, can take a 3770K to 7ghz. So OCing wise you'll usually need a high end AMD board and a low to mid range intel board to reach max clocks on PD/IB.
 
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post #103 of 155
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.........Even if PD is actually cheaper with IB you can spend less money on cooling and the mobo. An UD3 will do everything from stock to WR LN2 overclocks and you don't need as beefy of a cooler for IB as you do for PD. And due to the lower power draw the mobo doesn't need to have a high end VRM design either. So in the end it pretty much evens out.
And since it's gaming we're talking about (right?) the i5 should be the obvious first choice.

Huh? UD3 on AMD cost $40 less and overclocks just about as good as the rest of em from stock to LN2. Piledriver is NOT Bulldozer, so NO, you don't need to spend more on cooling and mobo. Also, can you please show me where an i5 with a 7870 will outperform an 8320 with a 7950 IN GAMING?

I know this must be a hard pill for the intel church to swallow, but accept it. The PD chips have effectively closed the performance gap between them and the i3/i5 line. There's so many people here trying too hard to convince themselves and others that this is not true, that its really dragging this forum down. ENOUGH ALREADY!
Edited by 2advanced - 11/23/12 at 1:46am
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Huh? UD3 on AMD cost $40 less and overclocks just about as good as the rest of em from stock to LN2. Piledriver is NOT Bulldozer, so NO, you don't need to spend more on cooling and mobo.

PD draws more power than SB or IB so yes you do need more cooling and a better VRM for similar overclocks. Especially the better cooling part holds true. Mobo is a bit hard to prove due to lack of consistent testing but in theory it holds true and afaik you don't see PD running 8.3ghz on an UD3.
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Also, can you please show me where an i5 with a 7870 will outperform an 8320 with a 7950 IN GAMING?

I never claimed it would, please don't associate other users' opinions with mine. Though it would beat it in CPU bound games like most MMOs and stuff like SC2 and Civ5
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I know this must be a hard pill for the intel church to swallow, but accept it. The PD chips have effectively closed the performance gap between them and the i3/i5 line. There's so many people here trying too hard to convince themselves and others that this is not true, that its really dragging this forum down. ENOUGH ALREADY!

PD is essentially as big of a jump from BD as IB was from SB. So in the end we're back to square one (yes I know the stock differences are a bit bigger in favor of PD but it has less OCing headroom than IB or SB)

and as for the "intel crowd" argument, would you please just kindly stop it with that stuff. I mean yes I have intel in my sig, however there's no AMD CPU that can compete with a 3930K so I didn't really have a choice, I also bench a lot so I just bought what was best for me.
I have nothing against AMD, I've built a bunch of client builds with Phenom IIs in them, I have a server with a Phenom II in it. I've got a bunch of their GPUs (5870, 5870, 4870x2, 4870, 5770, 3870) and I would like to try some LN2 action on AMD in the near future. Please don't judge people by the stuff in their signatures.
 
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post #105 of 155
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PD draws more power than SB or IB so yes you do need more cooling and a better VRM for similar overclocks. Especially the better cooling part holds true. Mobo is a bit hard to prove due to lack of consistent testing but in theory it holds true and afaik you don't see PD running 8.3ghz on an UD3.

While on the surface this statement is true, it is misleading. In your efforts to sway OP to the i5, youre leading him to believe that BECAUSE a PD will run hotter, you will NOT be able to run similar overclocks like you would an i5. While this may be true for extreme overclocks, this is simply a false and misleading statement as a UD3 is more than capable of handling todays typical overclocks.

If you had taken the time to read OP's posts (and I dont blame you for not doing so, I know u guys are busy) you would know that he is a novice on limited budget with no overclocking knowledge, so your original argument is completely irrelevant as 6+ghz isn't a concern. Plus, AFAIK, there are no 3570k's running at 4.5GHz with a stock cooler. PD is diff story!
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I never claimed it would, please don't associate other users' opinions with mine. Though it would beat it in CPU bound games like most MMOs and stuff like SC2 and Civ5

Again, if you would have taken the time to read OP's statements, you would have known that his budget is limited to a 7870 (again, I dont blame you). The $80 dollar savings by going AMD is enough to get him a 7950. Can we agree that in the majority of cases, and particularly in this case, a GPU upgrade will be more of an upgrade in gaming than CPU's?
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and as for the "intel crowd" argument, would you please just kindly stop it with that stuff. I mean yes I have intel in my sig, however there's no AMD CPU that can compete with a 3930K so I didn't really have a choice, I also bench a lot so I just bought what was best for me.
I have nothing against AMD, I've built a bunch of client builds with Phenom IIs in them, I have a server with a Phenom II in it. I've got a bunch of their GPUs (5870, 5870, 4870x2, 4870, 5770, 3870) and I would like to try some LN2 action on AMD in the near future. Please don't judge people by the stuff in their signatures.

Until the "Intel crowd" learns to read through the OP instead of taking every opportunity to come into the AMD Forums to bash and present their weighted opinions, I will continue to call them out. The number of peeps running in here blindly recommending intel is ridiculous. I bet you I can put a thread up asking whats better for gaming with my Radeon 4450, AMD or Intel, and I will get a ton people who NEVER post in AMD forums telling me to go i5 and i3.

Also, having, or having had and AMD CPU doesn't automatically make ANYONE fair, informed, open, balanced and un-biased. This thread is proof of that. I could care less about sig-rigs, but coincidentally, most of the poor arguments on this thread come from people with intels in sig. Just an observation....

If I had your kind of money, I too would be rocking a 3930K. Unfortunately, I don't, so I try and make the best of the cash that I DO have. And AMD hasn't failed me yet.thumb.gif
Edited by 2advanced - 11/23/12 at 2:57am
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post #106 of 155
This thread...lol

Its easy too choose.
If you want just to gaming grab a 3570k.
If you have already a AM3+ grab a 8320.
If you play sc2/mmos or you want to go crossfire/sli grab a 3570k.
If you do some rendering and some gaming grab a 8320.
If you are in tight budget grab the cheaper deal.
Overall 3570k is better cpu. But the difference is unnoticeable.
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Can you give it a rest? Speed/Core/Clock vs. Speed/Core/Clock Intel will win and that is the bottom line.

i dont even know why you bothered replying.
 
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My problem with AMD is that if you go the AMD route you need to get the FX-8320 or the FX-8350 any other FX processor is a waste. My point is if you are going anything lower than the FX-8320 or the FX-8350 you are really losing out on performance. At stock clocks the i3-3220 is a better option than going with the FX-6300 or the FX-4300. If you live near a Microcenter there's no point in going AMD when you can get a UD3H for $95 and a 3570K for $180. I know I'm going to get hammered by the AMD fans here about the i3 statement, but its time to face facts. For gaming anything lower than the FX-8230 is a complete waste of money when you can get a i3 that will outperform the FX-6300/4300 in most gaming situations. The FX-6300 may render videos better and do other multi-threaded work better but you wouldn't be totally blown away by it.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=699
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=700

The FX-6300 outperformed the I3 in most of the benchmarks so i don't really get your point.
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@ KamikazeKazzazi (Thread Starter)

I hope you have enough information to base your decision off of. There is a lot of good information within your thread now. Unfortuantly you will have to fish through a lot of trash AMD vs. Intel.
Good luck with your purchase. thumb.gif
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Im not sure where the OP lives, however we already know that Microcenter has deals on the Intel side, and apparently as posted here CompUSA/Tigerdirect has an In store deal for the I5 3570k and the I7 3770k, $150 and $250 respectively.
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