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It depends on which games you want to play and what else you want to do PC.

If you don't play planetside 2, any blizzard game, any valve game, any MMO. (<- Those are games that are usually CPU intensive) and you run a lot of multithreaded applications then the FX is probably the best option.

If you just want the best gaming CPU then go for the 3570k.

My personal choice would be the 3570k.
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post #52 of 155
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It depends on which games you want to play and what else you want to do PC.
If you don't play planetside 2, any blizzard game, any valve game. (<- Those are games that are usually CPU intensive) and you run a lot of multithreaded applications then the FX is probably the best option.
If you just want the best gaming CPU then go for the 3570k.
My personal choice would be the 3570k.
True. 3750k and 8320 are about the same on multi threading app and this is at stock.
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Get a 6300 instead and use all the money you save to buy an uber graphics card. smile.gif
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I love these threads.
 
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I love these threads.

Looked at your rig. you should get another 2 580's. 2 isnt enough!
 
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post #56 of 155
Cleaned.

As for my suggestion; go with the i5. Even if PD is actually cheaper with IB you can spend less money on cooling and the mobo. An UD3 will do everything from stock to WR LN2 overclocks and you don't need as beefy of a cooler for IB as you do for PD. And due to the lower power draw the mobo doesn't need to have a high end VRM design either. So in the end it pretty much evens out.

And since it's gaming we're talking about (right?) the i5 should be the obvious first choice.
 
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Cleaned.
As for my suggestion; go with the i5. Even if PD is actually cheaper with IB you can spend less money on cooling and the mobo. An UD3 will do everything from stock to WR LN2 overclocks and you don't need as beefy of a cooler for IB as you do for PD. And due to the lower power draw the mobo doesn't need to have a high end VRM design either. So in the end it pretty much evens out.
And since it's gaming we're talking about (right?) the i5 should be the obvious first choice.

Unlike others i can read and respect this guys opinion (which are facts aswell) since he actually comes with proper reasons instead of saying AMD is crap.
 
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Your point may have some merit, but remember two things:
1) the graphics card must also be PCI-E 3.0 compliant, not just the slot, in order to get the PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth. Many users will be coming at this decision with a pair of decent PCI-E 2.0 cards they don't want to upgrade right away.
2) Many Z77 (if not all, I haven't done extensive research on this particular point) boards will revert to PCI-E 2.0 once you put a 2nd card (or more) into the system, so you lose the theoretical throughput of 3.0 once you crossfire or SLI anyhow. In a situation like that, I'd rather have the bandwidth of two full x16 PCI-E 2.0 lanes, than two x8 PCI-E 2.0 lanes.

1.) Yes, this is true, in order to utilize PCI-E 3.0, you would need a PCI-E 3.0 compatible card. The OP has chosen the HD7870, which is most certainly a PCI-E compatible card.

2.) This is incorrect, this may have been a limitation for the Z68 chipset, but a great deal of Z77 boards that have a PCI-E 3.0, support up to 16 lanes of PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth. You should take a look at some of the boards that Intel is offering. There are some boards that offer 32 lanes or more of PCI-E 3.0, this is achieved through multiple PCI-E 3.0 controllers. How the system is configured as far as which slots get what lanes of PCI-E 3.0 is different from board to board, however, most Z77 motherboards that support PCI-E 3.0 and are equipped with two slots will give you at least 16 lanes of PCI-E 3.0. The majority of the boards with two slots are X16/0 for a single card, or X8/X8 for Crossfire.

Here are some motherboards that support x8/x8 PCI-E 3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157299
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138355
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837

There are quite a few of the low budget Z77 boards that have 1 PCI-E 3.0 slot, and 1 PCI-E 2.0, you have to look around to find what I have mentioned in a sub $150 board. Once you break the $150 point, there are many more selections.

Additionally I would like to add to your comment about needing a PCI-E 3.0 compliant GPU in order to utilize PCI-E 3.0. In addition to needing a compliant GPU, you also require an Ivy bridge series processor in order to use PCI-E 3.0.
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2.) This is incorrect, this may have been a limitation for the Z68 chipset, but a great deal of Z77 boards that have a PCI-E 3.0, support up to 16 lanes of PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth. You should take a look at some of the boards that Intel is offering. There are some boards that offer 32 lanes or more of PCI-E 3.0, this is achieved through multiple PCI-E 3.0 controllers. How the system is configured as far as which slots get what lanes of PCI-E 3.0 is different from board to board, however, most Z77 motherboards that support PCI-E 3.0 and are equipped with two slots will give you at least 16 lanes of PCI-E 3.0. The majority of the boards with two slots are X16/0 for a single card, or X8/X8 for Crossfire.
Here are some motherboards that support x8/x8 PCI-E 3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157299
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138355
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837
There are quite a few of the low budget Z77 boards that have 1 PCI-E 3.0 slot, and 1 PCI-E 2.0, you have to look around to find what I have mentioned in a sub $150 board. Once you break the $150 point, there are many more selections.

Additionally I would like to add to your comment about needing a PCI-E 3.0 compliant GPU in order to utilize PCI-E 3.0. In addition to needing a compliant GPU, you also require an Ivy bridge series processor in order to use PCI-E 3.0.


Thanks for the clarification. As I mentioned, I had not done very much research on the topic, and this is very useful information. I especially didn't realize it had to be an Ivy Bridge CPU to use PCI-E 3.0. Good to know.
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Its ironic how your rig is called "finally some performance" when it has a stock 3570 and a 6870... (talking mostly about the GPU)

Yes, I believe it's some kind of indictable offense to run a 3570K at stock speeds. He'd better go out and get an Antec 620 quick and overclock that chip before the performance police arrest him.thumb.gif
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