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Xeon E5 2687 (2P) + TJ07 -- Looking For Some Advice/Help

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Hi all,

 

So I'm currently running a 3930K system with a loop that I built, but it was an XSPC Raystorm kit that came with the pump, reservoir, fittings, blocks, rad, tubing and everything. It was more like building a lego kit, and while I learned a lot about setting up the system once you've got the correct parts...I didn't learn how to select the correct parts.

 

I was wondering if one or more of you helpful guys might give me some tips as to what I should be grabbing just so I understand the process a bit better and don't make any mistakes. This is some expensive hardware and I really want it to go smoothly!

 

The system will be 2x Xeon E5 2687W on the Asus Z9PE-D8 motherboard.

 

Right now, I have 2x Raystorm blocks, an EX480 rad, 12 compression fittings 3/8" x 5/8", and the rest I'll need to choose.

 

I'm Canadian so I think https://www.dazmode.com is really the only good option for where to shop...but if there's really good American places that have lots that's missing here, I'll just ship it in.

 

Here's what I'm after as far as the loop:

 

  • A fairly large reservoir
  • Strong, quiet pump with a great top
  • I'd maybe like to block my 680 as well just for fun and include it, not sure if I'll need a 2nd rad for that
  • Filling port would be nice
  • Possibly quick disconnects for the CPU blocks if those don't restrict the flow too much
  • Maybe a cheap fan controller for the 4 rad fans...since the Xeons can't OC, I doubt the rad needs much air on it unless the chips and GPU are going full tilt.

 

I'll probably go with the D5 Strong if it will be enough to power this 2P loop (possibly with the 680 as well), but I'd be really grateful if you guys could help me out with any additional, special fittings I'll need for any of the connections, what pump tops would be the best, all that stuff.

 

Don't worry about costs as much as just which parts are the best.


Edited by kweechy - 11/20/12 at 10:15pm
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Hello kweechy, i will help you.

First im also canadian, while Dazmode has good variety of stuff, i always cant find what im looking for and end shopping in the usa.
You are probably affraid of the shipping/customs cost, with reason. But if you use USPS, most of the time, its very cheap, and quick enough. Never use UPS or Fedex if you shop outside, alright that said, lets shop at performance-pcs , i really think its the best spot for watercooling stuff, i honestly suggest them. Great price & Great services.

Okay, so you already have your two CPU waterblock , one 480mm radiator and finally some fitting. Some pretty fitting by the way, i will also use them in my current project, anyway..good choice on them as you might need some 90 and 45 angled fitting, you can keep them as we can find the monsoon angled fitting at performance-pcs. (same design)

Ok now you want

a big reservoir

a strong and quiet pump with a top
a 680 gpu waterblock
more radiator
a filling port
quick disconnect plug
quick disconnect socket
fan controller
Mayhems coolant
tubing

90 and 45 angle Monsson fitting

about the list:

The reservoir i chose for you is the EK-RES X3 250, this is part of their new product line, cant go wrong with EK, very good stuff. Price is decent and look also.

The pump is the Swiftech MCP655 Series 12 VDC Water Pumps - With Speed Control, very good pump, which is also compatible with the top i picked for you. This pump has speed control so is silent. Great price.

The top is a EK-D5 X-TOP CSQ - Plexi it will make your pump 1/4 thread so now you fine, its also a very pretty top from the new ek CSQ line. i actually love it. i think you will also.

Still with EK, i put a 240mm radiator in the cart if you chose to watercool your GPU as well. It is the K-CoolStream RAD XTX (240) ,Once again, Great performance / price. Note you will need 2 or 4 more fan for it. Which case do you have?

The quick disconnect, i really dont know them, but i figured you could like these phobya since its kinda the same color as your other fitting but we can look further into if you prefer koolance qd.

About the fan controller, i dont know much about them honestly, i can suggest you the bitfenix reckon because i know bitfenix make great and safe products so i suggested it. Stay away from G-vans,their crap catch on fire.

GPU waterblock, i went with EK again (i bet they love me) its the EK-FC680 GTX FTW - Nickel , it does fit on your card as seen on http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/ The look is badass, right?

Tubing: I really wanted to suggest you some Primochill, their new serie but i dont have much news about it and they had huge problem with the past so well stay away from it for now. Lets go with Clear Masterkleer 3/8-5/8. I think its our best bet.

finally i added the link for some monsoon angle fitting, the same 3/8-5/8 matte black.
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Thanks so much for the help, I really appreciate it!

 

I'm guessing I'll want two 45 degree fittings for connecting the 1st CPU to the 2nd CPU since the distance is very short.

 

I like the res, pump, and the pump top. Do you think that pump would be able to handle two Raystorms and a 480 rad? If so...what about if I add in a GPU block as well...maybe even a 240 rad?

 

My 680 is the EVGA FTW 4GB, and the case I'll be using is the Silverstone TJ07.

 

Is there anything special I need to connect the res, pump, etc., or will my Monsoon fittings work for all that stuff already?

 

Are there any screws I need to buy or anything like that too? Or do things like pumps and reservoirs generally come with everything you need to mount them?

 

Also do you think that buying this is better overall than buying the pump and the EK top separately? 

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_201&products_id=24737


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Im glad i can help,

If i were you i would order at least 2-3 45 and 2-3 90, trust me you will use them if you have them smile.gif It can just look more pretty.
You bring a good point with your question about the pump, it is a very strong pump, but just to be sure i will look for more info so dont buy now! lol
You could always get a mcp35x2, i had one in the past and its totally overkill for whatever you throw on it. It has a price.

I will check now for your gpu waterblock now that i know whats your model/pcb size.
I asked your case model to be sure the 240mm radiator could fit, theres no problem about it.

You dont need anything special to connect everything together, only tubing really smile.gif ok joke aside, yes you need tubing so ill look into that as well, would you like to use colored coolant?
And the answer for your question is, your compression fitting will do all the work. couple 45 and 90 will help you but thats about it.
     
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You might want to look at the Koolance Extreme QDC's, they seem to be the choice for their low restriction. Where are you going to put the second rad? There really is limited space in the roof if your planning that, 2 rads and the pump and the PSU in the bottom will be a squeeze. Also have you considered a bay res, the TJ07 has plenty of bays and it'll be out of the way of the dual cpu board.
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Are there any screws I need to buy or anything like that too? Or do things like pumps and reservoirs generally come with everything you need to mount them?



Also do you think that buying this is better overall than buying the pump and the EK top separately?

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_201&products_id=24737

Let me know what you think of the list so far, then we will work around it. As it is, you still need the coolant (any preference? i suggest Mayhems, whats your favorite color:) )

Also yes you right. you might need to order couple screw to make your life easier, But you usually have mostly everything included with the items.

For the pump, its very up to you. You might want to check review about both of them and see which one is the more powerful, from there you can make the choice.

Anyway, let me know what you think so far and feel free to ask if you have any other question, later!
     
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You might want to look at the Koolance Extreme QDC's, they seem to be the choice for their low restriction. Where are you going to put the second rad? There really is limited space in the roof if your planning that, 2 rads and the pump and the PSU in the bottom will be a squeeze. Also have you considered a bay res, the TJ07 has plenty of bays and it'll be out of the way of the dual cpu board.

I did consider a bay res for sure, I just like the idea of having a lot of fluid in the system since it just stays naturally cooler like that since the volume of water can absorb more heat. Tube seems a lot more accessible too.

 

If you don't think a tall tube res would fit in the TJ08 with the 2P motherboard though, then maybe I'll have to rethink it.

 

What do you think is the ideal spot for a pump in the TJ07? And do you think a single Swiftech would be able to handle a loop with a 680 block, 2 Raystorms, a 480 rad and a 240 rad? I'm still on the fence about the video card, it would be more for fun than anything.

 

Actually now that I think about it too...with a 45 degree fitting on the CPU, will the pipe clear the height of the RAM?


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I did consider a bay res for sure, I just like the idea of having a lot of fluid in the system since it just stays naturally cooler like that since the volume of water can absorb more heat. Tube seems a lot more accessible too.

If you don't think a tall tube res would fit in the TJ08 with the 2P motherboard though, then maybe I'll have to rethink it.

What do you think is the ideal spot for a pump in the TJ07? And do you think a single Swiftech would be able to handle a loop with a 680 block, 2 Raystorms, a 480 rad and a 240 rad? I'm still on the fence about the video card, it would be more for fun than anything.
The amount of fluid doesn't effect the performance, it'll just take slightly longer to reach the same normal running temps. If you have a spare bay you'll end up with more room in the mobo compartment which isn't ever a bad thing and that board extends into the space you'll usually see a tube res.

Ideally I'd put the big rad and the pump in the bottom and the 240 in the roof (I did in fact biggrin.gif), as I said though there's limited space above the mobo. I used a GT Stealth which is 29mm thick and it overhung the board by 1mm (with 25mm fans). I don't think you can afford that overhang with the power connecters flush to the top of the board and I don't think there's anything thinner than the GT Stealth (the Stealth is also quite restrictive and a relatively poor performer), an alternative could be to look at thinner fans on a 30-35mm rad or put two rads in the bottom (this is where opinions differ, for me it's a bit of a squeeze for others it's no problem).

That's the first decision you should make, if you put both rads in the bottom you can put 25mm fans on both but it'll be cramped and you may need to put the pump somewhere else. If you put the 240 rad in the roof with thin fans you'll get slightly less performance from it (compared to 25mm fans) but have more room in the bottom for the pump and in the TJ07 a 240mm rad goes into the roof without any modding (just drill holes through the mesh and screw in), in the bottom you'll need stands and line them up with the mesh in the side panel - so it's probably a simpler build.

If your not adding the GPU then just the 480 should be fine, if your are though I'd probably add another rad. It depends why your water-cooling though, if you want the lowest temps then have as much rad as you can and if you want the quietest system then have as much rad as you can, in fact always have as much rad as you can smile.gif
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The amount of fluid doesn't effect the performance, it'll just take slightly longer to reach the same normal running temps. If you have a spare bay you'll end up with more room in the mobo compartment which isn't ever a bad thing and that board extends into the space you'll usually see a tube res.
Ideally I'd put the big rad and the pump in the bottom and the 240 in the roof (I did in fact biggrin.gif), as I said though there's limited space above the mobo. I used a GT Stealth which is 29mm thick and it overhung the board by 1mm (with 25mm fans). I don't think you can afford that overhang with the power connecters flush to the top of the board and I don't think there's anything thinner than the GT Stealth (the Stealth is also quite restrictive and a relatively poor performer), an alternative could be to look at thinner fans on a 30-35mm rad or put two rads in the bottom (this is where opinions differ, for me it's a bit of a squeeze for others it's no problem).
That's the first decision you should make, if you put both rads in the bottom you can put 25mm fans on both but it'll be cramped and you may need to put the pump somewhere else. If you put the 240 rad in the roof with thin fans you'll get slightly less performance from it (compared to 25mm fans) but have more room in the bottom for the pump and in the TJ07 a 240mm rad goes into the roof without any modding (just drill holes through the mesh and screw in), in the bottom you'll need stands and line them up with the mesh in the side panel - so it's probably a simpler build.
If your not adding the GPU then just the 480 should be fine, if your are though I'd probably add another rad. It depends why your water-cooling though, if you want the lowest temps then have as much rad as you can and if you want the quietest system then have as much rad as you can, in fact always have as much rad as you can smile.gif

Well, a larger volume of water will stay cooler just because the mass is greater. As an example, if you fill your kitchen sink with water and put an electric kettle inside, then measure the temps after an hour...then do the same in your swimming pool, naturally the pool's water will be much colder since it has way too much mass for the kettle to heat.

 

If you had something like a 20L reservoir, you might not need a radiator anymore...though you'll spend a few hundred on fluid :)

 

How much space do you end up with above the PSU in the TJ07? Do you think a tube res could maybe fit there?

 

I'm worried with how much hassle the 2nd rad would be...and wondering if a single 480 might actually be fine for everything considering Xeons can't be overclocked. Max wattage they'll put out together is 300W or so. An overclocked 3930K puts out around 240W...so if a 480 would be enough for an OC'd 3930 + GTX 680, it's probably ok for the Xeons too.

 

I don't think I'll ever have situations where both chips are at 100% and the GPU is at 100% as well. I'll either be rendering with 100% CPU and mild GPU use for OS stuff, or gaming with 5% CPU and 100% GPU.

 

What do you think with that in mind?


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Well, a larger volume of water will stay cooler just because the mass is greater. As an example, if you fill your kitchen sink with water and put an electric kettle inside, then measure the temps after an hour...then do the same in your swimming pool, naturally the pool's water will be much colder since it has way too much mass for the kettle to heat.

If you had something like a 20L reservoir, you might not need a radiator anymore...though you'll spend a few hundred on fluid smile.gif

How much space do you end up with above the PSU in the TJ07? Do you think a tube res could maybe fit there?

I'm worried with how much hassle the 2nd rad would be...and wondering if a single 480 might actually be fine for everything considering Xeons can't be overclocked. Max wattage they'll put out together is 300W or so. An overclocked 3930K puts out around 240W...so if a 480 would be enough for an OC'd 3930 + GTX 680, it's probably ok for the Xeons too.

I don't think I'll ever have situations where both chips are at 100% and the GPU is at 100% as well. I'll either be rendering with 100% CPU and mild GPU use for OS stuff, or gaming with 5% CPU and 100% GPU.

What do you think with that in mind?
You'd need a massive res to notice a difference (I mean massive), the res doesn't provide any noticeable cooling, it's made of a low thermal conductance material and has a low surface area to volume ratio. Think of it more like a half full kettle vs a full one, both will boil the water, the half full one will do it a bit faster. A larger volume of water will take longer to reach the same temp but it will still reach that same temp, the only way you'd see a lower temp was if the larger res added extra cooling and it won't add a significant amount of cooling.

I'd build it with just the 480 I think, it'll be enough and it's so easy to add a 240 in the roof with thin fans if it turns out you really need it you can add that any-when.
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