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There we go!

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Found those benches, HD 7970 using 12.11 vs GTX 680 using 310.33
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=32344&page=3


Both are still trading blows.

This one too. The GHz is faster than a 680, but the generic 7970 is not, even with the new drivers. That's un-overclocked of course, but you can't really rely on overclocking.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/23.html
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7970 no doubt. Only a fool would own a 680 in this market. The 680 gets raped by the cheaper and better 7970, and since 2gb vram doesn't cut in anymore.

It certainly doesn't get raped and, unless you are running multi-card multi-monitor, 2GB still isn't a limitation. Gaming has changed that much in 6 months.
Edited by Forceman - 11/21/12 at 6:06pm
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Wat is wrong with u people ???
The 7970 is NOT faster than the 680.. stop giving false info. They trade blows and are equal

um even the review spliter showed they said it won 3/4ths of the games so yea id say the 7970 is faster then a 680 and depending how each overclock one might pull ahead over the other by a larger margin. Right now its hard to say the 7970 is not faster even if its only a little bit also has more vmem for larger res and muti monitor. Price is the biggest factor now sence you can get a 7950/70 for much cheaper then a 670/680.
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ITT: Clueless people giving misinformation. The cards are both neck to neck, it's just a matter of drivers. I went with the 680 purely because in the past I've always hated AMD/ATi's drivers. I'd never go back to using CCC.
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This one too. The GHz is faster than a 680, but the generic 7970 is not, even with the new drivers. That's un-overclocked of course, but you can't really rely on overclocking.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/23.html

Care to explain that part? stock Ghz(1050-1100 stock clock) performance are equaled by generic 7970 overclocked to 1050-1100Mhz, the number of lemon 7970 that can't get that overclock can be counted on one hand.

Ghz is a marketing move made by AMD to introduce a 13.5% factory overclocked(1050/925) 7970 to compete with 12% factory overclocked(1128/1006) Generic GTX 680 in benchmarks since most website run benches without manual overclocks.

GTX 680's stock clock is 1006Mhz, however Nividia give you a minmum boost clock guaratee of 1058Mhz, in pratice a Kepler card will boost 70-110Mhz(the exact number will be a multiple of 13 over that minmum(this is known as a Kepler boost, and well documented in the GTX 670 Overclock thread), so any GTX 680 will run at least 1128 Mhz in a benchmark against a generic 7970's 925Mhz.
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um even the review spliter showed they said it won 3/4ths of the games so yea id say the 7970 is faster then a 680 and depending how each overclock one might pull ahead over the other by a larger margin. Right now its hard to say the 7970 is not faster even if its only a little bit also has more vmem for larger res and muti monitor. Price is the biggest factor now sence you can get a 7950/70 for much cheaper then a 670/680.

The GHz card is 3:4 - that's an important distinction since they are quite a bit more expensive than the vanilla cards.
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Care to explain that part? stock Ghz performance are equaled by generic 7970 overclocked to 1050-1100Mhz, the number of lemon 7970 that can't get that overclock can be counted on one hand.

You can't rely on overclocking because not all cards overclock the same. Yes the vanilla card is easy to get to GHz speeds (which is why the GHz model isn't a very good value), but beyond that who knows. And 680s overclock also.
Edited by Forceman - 11/21/12 at 6:14pm
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um even the review spliter showed they said it won 3/4ths of the games so yea id say the 7970 is faster then a 680 and depending how each overclock one might pull ahead over the other by a larger margin. Right now its hard to say the 7970 is not faster even if its only a little bit also has more vmem for larger res and muti monitor. Price is the biggest factor now sence you can get a 7950/70 for much cheaper then a 670/680.

 

You can get a GTX 670/680 to 1250-1300 easily, even with the locked voltage.
7970, on the other hands, have trouble hitting 1100-1150 without overcolting. Now this become a major issue since most of the newer batches are being locked.

 

I agree that price is the biggest factor. But keep in mind that nvidia card run cooler and are more efficient. CUDA cores also has their utilities, and there are also some random features (adaptative vsync, 3d vision, physix, etc). Now it's really up to one to see if those extra are worth the price premium.

 

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This one too. The GHz is faster than a 680, but the generic 7970 is not, even with the new drivers. That's un-overclocked of course, but you can't really rely on overclocking.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/23.html
It certainly doesn't get raped and, unless you are running multi-card multi-monitor, 2GB still isn't a limitation. Gaming has changed that much in 6 months.

QFT.

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The GHz card is 3:4 - that's an important distinction since they are quite a bit more expensive than the vanilla cards.
You can't rely on overclocking because not all cards overclock the same. Yes the vanilla card is easy to get to GHz speeds (which is why the GHz model isn't a very good value), but beyond that who knows. And 680s overclock also.

The ceiling isn't the same due to voltage locks on Keplers. Plus the average/ceiling Overclock should always be considered when buying a GPU unless you just never ever ever want to OC.

A 680 will have problem getting over 1350Mhz, that's only 1350/1128= 20% Overclock over the max boost of a non-OC generic 680

1200 Mhz is not rare among non-locked 7970s and that's 1200/925= 30% Overclock over their 925Mhz stock clock, so 7970 have a 10% OC ceiling edge, in addition to Vram and 384 bit Bus, not to mention they are significantly cheaper than 680 .
Before Catalyst 12.11 I would say they trade blows but 7970 wins at higher resolution, have Eyefinity and are cheaper, 680 have better 3D & PhysiX. After 12.11, the only reason to get Nividia is to get 3D and PhysX.


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The GHz card is 3:4 - that's an important distinction since they are quite a bit more expensive than the vanilla cards.
You can't rely on overclocking because not all cards overclock the same. Yes the vanilla card is easy to get to GHz speeds (which is why the GHz model isn't a very good value), but beyond that who knows. And 680s overclock also.

True but nearly every if not all 7970s will run ghz clocks i dont think amd would of released the bios if they couldn't handle the clocks. Either way both have beta drivers that make them run great in games comes down to price that you get it at.
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Wat is wrong with u people ???
The 7970 is NOT faster than the 680.. stop giving false info. They trade blows and are equal

7970's are faster, cheaper, way more overclocking headroom and has more vram. and this is coming from a guy with a gtx 680 and a gtx 670. it's the truth kid live with it
Edited by jprovido - 11/21/12 at 6:32pm
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