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I'm not using a touchscreen and I'm happy with it. As I said, it's personal preference whether or not you like it.
Microsoft should have natively allowed a choice, but I could see why they didn't want to.

God second win8 snipe today Tsumi. Good show.

But unfortunately I can only say I am not happy with it because I don't generally equate OSs with any sort of feeling. Except of course frustration, or occasionally paranoia. In this case I've since reconciled both and I can happily say it no longer registers in my consciousness. Which makes it par for the course for MS.

Last Win8 post ever.
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God second win8 snipe today Tsumi. Good show.
But unfortunately I can only say I am not happy with it because I don't generally equate OSs with any sort of feeling. Except of course frustration, or occasionally paranoia. In this case I've since reconciled both and I can happily say it no longer registers in my consciousness. Which makes it par for the course for MS.
Last Win8 post ever.

You know you'll come back. The Dark Side commands you. Plus we have cookies. And cake.





The cake is a lie.
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lol "study"?

The link in the OP is a straight up opinion piece (well it really doesn't say anything tbh) and the "study" it links to is also an opinion piece.

I don't care about their opinions. I mean its great that they have opinions, but why is it news?
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 11/22/12 at 2:19am
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Your argument has one fundamental flaw: you say that you don't have to use Metro for working on the desktop, and that is just false, after all, isn't the argument of Windows 8 defenders that the Start screen is just a fullscreen Start Menu ?
You use it very, very rarely. And I'd argue that it's superior to the old start menu, once you've personalized and organized it. Stock, it's quite cluttered.

And that is also one of the fundamental problems with it. The Start Menu has an organized menu at stock.

- You have the latest used programs right in plain sight, complete with jump lists of the last files you worked with, so you can pick up where you left on any of them (can't do it in the Modern UI);

- You can search everything from the Start Menu and even drag and drop the files from there to any folder you want, along with other file operations you may want to do, like delete the file, for example (can't do this in the Modern UI);

- If you want to browse your installed programs you can browse the alphabetically organized list at your will, with minimum scrolling and only open the program folder you want, instead of having everything chaotically scattered on the Modern UI;

- Access to computer management (the power user Menu from Windows 8 should be integrated in the Control panel button, with a secondary button, à la button next to the Shut Down button in the Start Menu, by the way) is available from the Start Menu, while you have to access other menus in the Modern UI for the same functionality, unless you also decide to have them scattered around the Modern UI, and then have to organize them;

- Newly installed programs are highlighted in the Start Menu, so you have a clear notion what program folders the program created and what files it put in them, you don't have this in the Modern UI.

- I grant that.

-I don't think you can in Win 7.

-There is a program list.

-Or you could just press winkey + "con" + enter.

- Not useful.
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Does anyone else find it incredibly stupid that we get into heated arguments about an extra click of a mouse?

*sigh*

It's not just the "extra click of a mouse". Have you tried both Windows 7 and Windows 8? I think not, if that is all you think is different between the two. rolleyes.gif
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Does anyone else find it incredibly stupid that we get into heated arguments about an extra click of a mouse?

*sigh*

It's not just the "extra click of a mouse". Have you tried both Windows 7 and Windows 8? I think not, if that is all you think is different between the two. rolleyes.gif
It is just one.

I have tried Win 7 since the DAY IT CAME OUT. Same with 8.
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- I grant that.
-I don't think you can in Win 7.
-There is a program list.
-Or you could just press winkey + "con" + enter.
- Not useful.

2nd point. Yes, you can.
3rd point. Like he said, its chaotic and incredibly inefficient in Windows 8.
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It is just one.
I have tried Win 7 since the DAY IT CAME OUT. Same with 8.

Few people mention the "Not booting straight to desktop, 1 extra click to desktop" thing without other arguments, that is a really nitpicking argument. The entire problem with Windows 8 is that the desktop interface is an application in a tablet operating system, not the other way around. In older versions, you could disable the tablet addons in Windows. All Microsoft has to do to please everybody is re-add that ability.

As the developer, their job is to please us. When we're displeased with a product, they're supposed to modify it until the amount of displeased people is minimized. You're not supposed to just take the schlong and accept that you as the consumer are pawns in their game.

Windows 8 at its core is great, I've felt that way since the previews. They lightened it up a tad, and improved performance a bit, that is good. But the Modern UI is a tablet/phone interface through and through. No ifs, ands, or buts. Anybody who thinks otherwise is, and you can quote me on this, an idiot. The Modern UI was not designed for maximum productivity on the desktop; you don't have to be a genius to figure that out. You don't dumb down a tractor-trailer so that it operates like a scooter. They're 2 different machines with different purposes, and require a different interface to operate fully.



Edit: I don't care about the lack of the start menu or any of the other changes they made within the desktop 'app'. My problem lies in the entire Modern UI interface and how poor of a replacement it is compared to the start menu. Once they find a good replacement for the start menu, I'll be happy to use it. The Modern UI, is not that replacement.
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Windows 8 didn't change the way I navigate in the least, so I suppose I am biased in saying I love it. I don't and really never did use the start menu, other than shutting down/restarting. I added a all the shutdown/restarting options to my right click menu and go about everything else the same way I did on Windows 7. I have always used a toolbar setup with a list of all my programs I use at least once a week in a quicklaunch kind of menu but only visible when clicking it. Everything else, I don't mind clicking the start screen and searching since I don't use them maybe once a month or less.

I can understand those that used the start menu extensively being upset without a choice. Having to change the way you navigated an OS for years is got to be tough. I was lucky they didn't remove the ability to add toolbars to the taskbar or I would probably be hating 8 like some others. Though I most likely would have just used an application alternative to add it back or found something very similar that would suffice. It would be an aggravation till I was used to it, but I am confident I would get used to it and still be using 8. My setup is very simple and clean. Like I mentioned earlier, almost all my used programs are available like the picture below shows. I click the little arrows and all my stuff is there in an easy to read and use menu and goes away after I click one. It is an old picture from Win7 but it works and looks the exact same minus the start button:

strat-desktop1.jpg
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And that is also one of the fundamental problems with it. The Start Menu has an organized menu at stock.
- You have the latest used programs right in plain sight, complete with jump lists of the last files you worked with, so you can pick up where you left on any of them (can't do it in the Modern UI);
- You can search everything from the Start Menu and even drag and drop the files from there to any folder you want, along with other file operations you may want to do, like delete the file, for example (can't do this in the Modern UI);
- If you want to browse your installed programs you can browse the alphabetically organized list at your will, with minimum scrolling and only open the program folder you want, instead of having everything chaotically scattered on the Modern UI;
- Access to computer management (the power user Menu from Windows 8 should be integrated in the Control panel button, with a secondary button, à la button next to the Shut Down button in the Start Menu, by the way) is available from the Start Menu, while you have to access other menus in the Modern UI for the same functionality, unless you also decide to have them scattered around the Modern UI, and then have to organize them;
- Newly installed programs are highlighted in the Start Menu, so you have a clear notion what program folders the program created and what files it put in them, you don't have this in the Modern UI.


Question, what is an organized start menu to an organized Desktop with all the icons linked to what you like? I'm just saying to combine that with the actual start button and menu and notice how you rarely need the start button/menu. Even pinned icons on the task bar can render that area useless. Desktop is more powerful than that entire menu. Win8 is basically a hybrid of the two... I agree that win8 is two faced though
.. The whole desktop as an app is weird and why do we have two internet explorers? tongue.gif
    
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- I grant that.
-I don't think you can in Win 7.
-There is a program list.
-Or you could just press winkey + "con" + enter.
- Not useful.

2nd point. Yes, you can.
3rd point. Like he said, its chaotic and incredibly inefficient in Windows 8.
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It is just one.
I have tried Win 7 since the DAY IT CAME OUT. Same with 8.

Few people mention the "Not booting straight to desktop, 1 extra click to desktop" thing without other arguments, that is a really nitpicking argument. The entire problem with Windows 8 is that the desktop interface is an application in a tablet operating system, not the other way around. In older versions, you could disable the tablet addons in Windows. All Microsoft has to do to please everybody is re-add that ability.

As the developer, their job is to please us. When we're displeased with a product, they're supposed to modify it until the amount of displeased people is minimized. You're not supposed to just take the schlong and accept that you as the consumer are pawns in their game.

Windows 8 at its core is great, I've felt that way since the previews. They lightened it up a tad, and improved performance a bit, that is good. But the Modern UI is a tablet/phone interface through and through. No ifs, ands, or buts. Anybody who thinks otherwise is, and you can quote me on this, an idiot. The Modern UI was not designed for maximum productivity on the desktop; you don't have to be a genius to figure that out. You don't dumb down a tractor-trailer so that it operates like a scooter. They're 2 different machines with different purposes, and require a different interface to operate fully.



Edit: I don't care about the lack of the start menu or any of the other changes they made within the desktop 'app'. My problem lies in the entire Modern UI interface and how poor of a replacement it is compared to the start menu. Once they find a good replacement for the start menu, I'll be happy to use it. The Modern UI, is not that replacement.
BAD REPLACEMENT

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Also it's not "chaotic and incredibly inefficient"
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