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Jumping in way late but...

IMO, the lid of this case is not optimal for exhaustive cooling, in any scenario that I could worked out. Contay's dual 120mm fan exhaust directly above his GPUs was never fully vindicated with any tangible evidence other than photos. No offence meant toward him so please don't take it that way, but when pressed for further results, he yielded that he had dismantled the configuration and could not test it further. This is after a claim of 10C better cooling so I was definitely interested in this test! I attempted a similar configuration by strapping 2 120s to the lid's mesh and covering the rest of the mesh and did not see any marked improvement, whether they were in intake or exhaust configuration at low and high RPMs. I was as rigorous as I could measure for this specific test and could not repeat the results.

I ran a 230mm fan as an intake for a while and I liked the noise/performance ratio but it wasn't anything 2 140mm fans behind a filter couldn't do as well.

I don't like the stock fans. In truth, because no one talks about them. Call it shallow but I'm a sucker for fancy fans. No one ever bothers to test the performance of stock fans.

I think you need to make a few decisions before anyone's advice will be truly valuable. What matters most to you, component longevity (assumed longer if components are cooler), cost (assumed lower if you leave the config the way it is), noise (lower decibels at any cost), etc.?

Because everyone's ambient temperatures are different across cultures and literal planet regions (where I am, room temperature is approximately 72F, which is high in my book), and everyone's opinion of what an appropriate temperature is for individual components varies wildly (we should assume that any temperature below the manufacturer's rated maximum is considered safe (within reason) but we choose to run our components as cool as possible under the presumed notion that it will provide additional performance or stability), the differences between fans and fan configurations will only vary enough to be considered a marked difference, like 10C, if something has gone terribly wrong.

I think we've all been caught practicing pseudo-science; comparing results without referencing a universal standard because there isn't really one we can agree to use with this because we're amateurs. Without that scientific rigor, we're drawing false conclusions and then repeating that information to others that ask without caveats or disclaimers. Even those that use scientific equipment to probe for temperatures don't publish how long the test was run or over how many days and proof of all the meta data which you would necessarily require in an academic paper on the matter...

I make this point because this fan configuration argument seems to have become a hair-splitting discussion. None of my configurations have yielded a dramatic difference that would make me a believer in one configuration over another.

Hopefully no one is offended by this because it truly isn't intended to be that way. I just want to state for the record that we owe it to ourselves to be more rigorous with our tests and more cautious in accepting advice without verification. I think that's fair.

Jumping in even later. Just to be sure, is the tl;dr of that basically that the top 200/230/whatever else fan you try up top doesn't really do anything for temps?
I'm a bit of an extreme situation with the HD 7990, and I can say that my top 200mm exhaust fan does quite a bit for GPU temps. I know I've said that to a few people in here already a while back, but I can actually test it again for ya if you'd like. I wouldn't mind getting some concrete evidence for once. But I can say that yeah, for most people, a top fan won't make much of a difference. It's only worth looking into if you're running a rather hot Crossfire or SLI setup. Or a dual GPU card.
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Jumping in even later. Just to be sure, is the tl;dr of that basically that the top 200/230/whatever else fan you try up top doesn't really do anything for temps?
I'm a bit of an extreme situation with the HD 7990, and I can say that my top 200mm exhaust fan does quite a bit for GPU temps. I know I've said that to a few people in here already a while back, but I can actually test it again for ya if you'd like. I wouldn't mind getting some concrete evidence for once. But I can say that yeah, for most people, a top fan won't make much of a difference. It's only worth looking into if you're running a rather hot Crossfire or SLI setup. Or a dual GPU card.

Hey Cap,

If you're willing to do the leg work, I'd say go for the test. I'd recommend a simulation with a consistent temperature and a way to mark temperatures automatically at scheduled intervals, preferably written to a log for reference.

I'd also mentioned that I didn't believe slight variations really mattered, as in less than10C deltas, but I suppose that can be discounted.

Do you have the ability to list all of your fan specs? Can you set them statically so the data is reliable or do they vary in speed with temperature, at which point the calculations become very tedious? All factors.
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Hey Cap,

If you're willing to do the leg work, I'd say go for the test. I'd recommend a simulation with a consistent temperature and a way to mark temperatures automatically at scheduled intervals, preferably written to a log for reference.

I'd also mentioned that I didn't believe slight variations really mattered, as in less than10C deltas, but I suppose that can be discounted.

Do you have the ability to list all of your fan specs? Can you set them statically so the data is reliable or do they vary in speed with temperature, at which point the calculations become very tedious? All factors.

I'll try and remember to run a few benchmarks tomorrow, as it's rather late now. I can do Firestrike Extreme with and without the top fan, and maybe one without the top panel entirely just to see what that does. I have a fan controller for all of my case fans, so those can run full blast. I run my 7990 with a fan curve, but I can run it at 100% for the full length of the test (it would probably be running at about 90-100 anyways).

Here are some fan specs to start off.
The two Lian Li fans I have on the outside of the frame on the front of my case are stated to be 1200 RPM and 59.7 CFM.
The Xigmatek on the other side of my 140mm radiator on the front of my case is 1000 RPM, 60.5 CFM.
I have a 120mm intake fan on the back of the case that's 1500 RPM, 61.4 CFM.
And the fan we're interested in is the Cooler Master Megaflow 200mm exhaust fan on top moving 110 CFM of air at 700 RPM.
We can probably just ignore the two 80mm fans on the bottom layer of the case since they're largely disconnected from the airflow up top.

And from what I remember, when I switched from the windowed panel to the mesh one with the Megaflow, I saw an 8 or so degree drop in GPU temperature. But I think I was running slightly lower GPU fan speeds at the time, so we'll see what the number is now. Ambient is about 70 F right now, but it might be near 73 or 74 when I test tomorrow.
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Hi guys.. long time no see..
I have a question for you.
How long of a PSU can I shuff in it? I know the specs says 180mm but I seam to remember some of you guys fitting longer ones..
old style ThermalTake 1200w 200mm

Would it fit? or do I have to remove the HDD Tray PCB?

Thanks, ^GaMbi

*Edit
I found a few older posts, seams it can be done, but its a bit of a tight fit.. may need some modding. deeper backplate or HotSwap modding.
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Hi guys.. long time no see..
I have a question for you.
How long of a PSU can I shuff in it? I know the specs says 180mm but I seam to remember some of you guys fitting longer ones..
old style ThermalTake 1200w 200mm

Would it fit? or do I have to remove the HDD Tray PCB?

Thanks, ^GaMbi

*Edit
I found a few older posts, seams it can be done, but its a bit of a tight fit.. may need some modding. deeper backplate or HotSwap modding.

The Seasonic Platinum 1000 I run is 190mm long and I fit it with no modding, but I removed the hotswap PCB and it's a tighter fit than I'd like. But it works.

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Okay, so I did 6 runs and I feel rather silly now. Also, some of the data probably could be a little more precise, so running multiple trials per setup would be best, but I think this will do for a general idea.

Ambient was 71 today (21.7 C). I'll post a screenshot of the data chart I slapped together along with the FPS/temperature graphs for each tests that you can't see on the online result sheet (at least to my knowledge). And I'll have the online results for each test as well.



The average temperature was calculated by taking the average of the starting, finishing, and roughly middle temperature of the graphics test 2, which is the longer and more intensive graphics card test. So that is a rough value.

As you can see, we should all just run our HAF XBs with no top panel. /thread

But really though, that surprised me. I'm guess it's either that I have wonky data, or that all the fan actually does is make up for the impedance of the top mesh, but doesn't do enough to actually have a positive effect.
And for the tests that we (or at least I) am interested in: fan and panel vs no fan but with the panel, with the dynamic GPU speed, as those are probably the two most common setups. Going by the max temperature, the 8 degree drop that I've been reporting without proof is fairly accurate, but that 71 seems a little high compared to everything else, so that could be wrong. But the most important value, the average temperature, showed a whopping difference of three degrees, so GG @Tiberiusisgame.

What I just re-remembered after typing this whole post is that the 8 degree drop was compared to the windowed panel, which is probably far hotter than any of the six tests I ran today. But, I don't think it's all that important that I test that as well, since people who have a GPU setup like this could spend less on a fan than a windowed panel, so that option doesn't really make sense, practically speaking. I purchased the windowed top panel when I was still running a traditional single GPU setup, so that's how I ended up in that situation. Hopefully at least somebody could follow my logic there.

Here are the tests:

Test 1: Fan, Panel, 100% GPU (Click to show)
Test 2: Fan, Panel, Dynamic GPU (Click to show)
Test 3: No Fan, Panel, 100% GPU (Click to show)
Test 4: No Fan, Panel, Dynamic GPU (Click to show)
Test 5: No Panel, 100% GPU (Click to show)
Test 6: No Panel, Dynamic GPU (Click to show)

Also. here is a screenshot of my GPU fan curve for reference.



tl;dr: The top fan does indeed make only a slight difference (compared to the mesh panel anyways) with a dual GPU card, so it's pretty much there to look nice. Not sure about something like 2 R9 390X cards though. What I do know is this means I've been slightly misinforming people in this thread for the last two years. wheee.gif
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Just some part swapping. Someone might see red presleeved cabled. True monster is my new board. Rampage IV Black edition, running 4930K @4.2GHz (and rising). For some reason CM states Haf XB (and evo) are only atx/matx/itx even there were mounting holes for risers for eatx board.
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Just some part swapping. Someone might see red presleeved cabled. True monster is my new board. Rampage IV Black edition, running 4930K @4.2GHz (and rising). For some reason CM states Haf XB (and evo) are only atx/matx/itx even there were mounting holes for risers for eatx board.

This is definitely worth noting: my EVGA Z97 Classified is an EATX but it slots into the motherboard tray like a glove. I think Cooler Master's concern is that not all EATX boards are the same so they played it safe and didn't list that form factor.
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This is definitely worth noting: my EVGA Z97 Classified is an EATX but it slots into the motherboard tray like a glove. I think Cooler Master's concern is that not all EATX boards are the same so they played it safe and didn't list that form factor.

This seems to be suprisingly common. Anyway, better this way than "EATX fits. Maybe."
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ASUS Z97 Pro Gamer
Intel I4790K @4.2/4.4
16GB DDR3
500GB SSD
Gigabyte GTX980TI Waterforce with 120mm radiator (SLI setup next)

Which cooling solution did you prefer:

a) Cooler Master Nepton 120XL
b) Cryorig R1 Ultimate

With (a) I have more space and hopefully a lower temperature in the case (push/pull exhaust). I don't know how hot the graphic card(s) will be, because no additional fan is mounted on the card itself - only on the radiator. It could be better to install (a) and a 200er fan at the top (as exhaust), because the radiator of the graphic card will used as intake - or it's better to install them as exhaust too und use the top fan as intake?

Any suggestions?
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Below you will find my setup:

ASUS Z97 Pro Gamer
Intel I4790K @4.2/4.4
16GB DDR3
500GB SSD
Gigabyte GTX980TI Waterforce with 120mm radiator (SLI setup next)

Which cooling solution did you prefer:

a) Cooler Master Nepton 120XL
b) Cryorig R1 Ultimate

With (a) I have more space and hopefully a lower temperature in the case (push/pull exhaust). I don't know how hot the graphic card(s) will be, because no additional fan is mounted on the card itself - only on the radiator. It could be better to install (a) and a 200er fan at the top (as exhaust), because the radiator of the graphic card will used as intake - or it's better to install them as exhaust too und use the top fan as intake?

Any suggestions?

Could we have pics? I'd really like to see that waterforce card in case.

However. If you decide to go with AiO cpu cooler, I'd go with corsair 80i GT or NZXT Kraken X31. Also, I'd go with front intake with Waterforce (s) and cpu cooler for exhaust. Then just test if top is better for intake or exhaust.
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