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Hello all, been browsing around for the last week trying to figure out how to go about doing a full water loop with my hardware in a Define R4. I am just wondering first and foremost how much "total rad" I would probably need to attain this goal. I'll give you a brief overview of what my system will/would be below:

CPU: i5 3570k (Possible OC to ~4.2k)
Motherboard: MSI Mpower Z77 or G1 Sniper 3 Z77
GPU: EVGA GTX 680 SC+ in SLI (EVGA Hydro Copper Blocks-Cards are on hand already in my current rig)
PSU: Corsair AX850 (Have my HX1000 on hand if I need more power)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4
Memory: Avexir Core Series
SSD: (2) Samsung 830 128GB

I have not decided on the fans as of yet as I have been waiting until I decide on my rads first. That being said, the Define R4 has a few limitations it seems with overall space for rads (It is a mid tower afterall); but, what I am thinking is a thick 240-280 rad in the front, and a thick 140 rad in either the bottom or the rear. Would this be sufficient for my purposes? I do not plan on OC'ing the cards anymore than they are already. I "might" be able to fit a 240 rad at the top, but I will not know until I have the case/mobo on hand to see first hand the space I will have to work with in regards to clearance of my ram/heatsink on superpipe, so I prefer to leave that out of the equation for now. I don't want to make "what if" assumptions and then be SOL.

Anyways, if any of you water cooling gurus out there can lend me a hand here, it would be much appreciated, as I am a total novice when it comes to custom water cooling. I have never ventured past the all-in-one loops from corsair. I am also pretty dead set on the case that I have at the moment, and if I have to do a separate build down the road (bigger one) to do this, I could work with that. Thank you in advance for your time and information!

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The best would be 2x 240mm, but i dont own a Define R4 so i really dont know the space you got there.
a 280+140 could also be very good.

thats how i work: 1 cpu= 120mm, 1 ocd cpu = 240mm , 1 gpu = 120mm , 1 ocd gpu = 240mm, 2 gpu = 2x 240mm and so on.
Always got excellent temp but it just how i do it, just a personal choice/preference.

hope im not totally useless, good luck!
     
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IMHO its all come from your budget, If you want a really good cooling rig get two thick rad inside
As far as I can see, you've a really high spec components. You planning to OC your CPU?
If yes for sure you wanna invest in thick rads.
I'm getting 33c-35 c idle on my 2600k @ 4.5ghz while at the same time running 2 x 670 full WB combining with 1 x 360 xtx EK rad and 1x 240 xt EK rad
the point is , thicker longer rad give you more cooler components, the option on pump also has an effect on the cooling ie, DDC pumps are famous for getting hot but have better head pressure for restrictive loop such as cooling CPU+2xGPU+MOBO+RAM. But pumps like D5 are alot cooler but less head preassure.

Moreover, with all those budget why not invest more on larger, more thick rad compatible case? unless you really into your R4 tongue.gif
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The best would be 2x 240mm, but i dont own a Define R4 so i really dont know the space you got there.
a 280+140 could also be very good.
thats how i work: 1 cpu= 120mm, 1 ocd cpu = 240mm , 1 gpu = 120mm , 1 ocd gpu = 240mm, 2 gpu = 2x 240mm and so on.
Always got excellent temp but it just how i do it, just a personal choice/preference.
hope im not totally useless, good luck!

Not useless at all, any experience is more experience than I have! I thank you very much for your opinions and information. It all helps me in the end on getting my rig done smile.gif
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IMHO its all come from your budget, If you want a really good cooling rig get two thick rad inside
As far as I can see, you've a really high spec components. You planning to OC your CPU?
If yes for sure you wanna invest in thick rads.
I'm getting 33c-35 c idle on my 2600k @ 4.5ghz while at the same time running 2 x 670 full WB combining with 1 x 360 xtx EK rad and 1x 240 xt EK rad
the point is , thicker longer rad give you more cooler components, the option on pump also has an effect on the cooling ie, DDC pumps are famous for getting hot but have better head pressure for restrictive loop such as cooling CPU+2xGPU+MOBO+RAM. But pumps like D5 are alot cooler but less head preassure.
Moreover, with all those budget why not invest more on larger, more thick rad compatible case? unless you really into your R4 tongue.gif

While it is true that I really do want to stick with an R4 (I am in LOVE with the look and functionality of the case as a whole), I can totally see your point. That being said, I guess I could step up to a NZXT Switch 810 (A case I also think is quite lovely) for the full WC build, and use the R4 for my MSI Mpower build for OCing, and only do a CPU WC loop in that one smile.gif Also, I do plan to OC the CPU in the rig we are talking about, but most probably only to ~4.2ghz. I appreciate your input as well, thanks so much!


PS: +Rep to the both of you for my thanks for helping me out on Thanksgiving smile.gif
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Glad to help, pop any question if you've any kind of trouble
cant wait til its done! post it here or at the OCN watercooling club
btw why not get the new phantom 820?smile.gif
it looks really good...
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Yeah, I will be sure to post pics when I finish everything, might even do a build log for it (would be my first build log). As for the NZXT Phantom 820, honestly, I am not a big fan on the way it looks. I was also trying to fit what I wanted into a mid tower for moving purposes down the road. Military makes you move quite often, and a massive full tower would be a major pita to move. Again, many thanks for the help and information smile.gif

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I always like reading posts from users new to WC since I'm in the same boat. smile.gif

Have you considered Case Labs? Their new SM8 is about the same size as the Switch 810, and it's completely aluminum so much lighter than a steel case of comparable size (Read: easy to move!). Admittedly, the cost can be prohibitive, but if you're looking for functionality, the SM8 is definitely worth considering. You can easily fit a 480 AND 360 rad internally, with plenty of room to spare for other components. Good luck! thumb.gif
    
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While I agree that is a nice case I do think your going to struggle getting rads in there, there really isn't a lot of room in the roof, I can't see you getting anything other than a very thin rad up there and with only one set of fans running either push or pull. As for the front can you get a 240 or 280 in there without having to remove all the drive cages?

I use the Switch 810 and have found it quite easy to work with, I'm currently running an RX360 in the roof in Push/Pull and an RX240 in the bottom running in Pull with 20 mm Shroud. I also have an RX120 to go in the front, but haven't fitted it all yet, gotta pick up another item or two before I proceed to strip down and re-build. This case has potential for a lot of rads, thick ones at that. You could even fit the Monsta 80 mm thick rads in there, only Pull in the roof though, and I think you could manage Push/Pull in the bottom with the Monsta.

If mobility's a big problem perhaps consider a case that has grommets for external WC? Fit a couple of QDC's and it'll be easier for transporting, simply disconnect the external rad and package that up separately.
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