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Yeah, I'm ditching it for a 2GB card very soon smile.gif
    
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I'll have a 3GB card eventually lol.

Need a car or a truck first. >__>
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I shall be fully performance evaluating this machine. I class the VRAM on your card as part of your GPU. Its not just VRAM where the 660 excels over the 460, its also the CUDA cores 938 to be precise. THAT's twice as much as my 480's had and then the clocks are high aswell ~1Ghz, my 480's were at 850mhz and that was overclocked.

Your experience once you hit your VRAM limit vary from game to game. The PCi-e lanes with low latency memory can suffice for things that aren't too hungry. As always though unless you are going over 1080p and/or using high amounts of AA.

I listened to your point then expressed my own narwal mate, just because I do not see things your way doesn't mean I'm wrong. I am a trained professional and spent hours searching reviews and benchmarks. There was a common trend in all of them. The GTX 660 being an on par competitior with ATi and the 2100 by far being the best budget chip for gaming.

Later on today I get to bench this machine.

Later I have more water-cooling stuff arriving for my rig. I am changing the blocks over to the XSPC Razer with LED. They look sexy as hell, to keep you interested here is a sneek peek.

http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/XSPC-Razor-GTX680-Full-Cover-VGA-Waterblock-for-NVIDIA-GTX-680-Graphics-Card--Raystorm-Style-pid-16604.html
 
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Originally Posted by SuPaTeD View Post

The GTX 660 being an on par competitior with ATi

With ATi as a company? How can one (mediocre for the price) graphics card be on par with a whole company?

The GTX 660 isn't on par with ATi's best, second best or even third best card.
The GTX 680 isn't even on par with ATi's best.
ATi have the best card right now.
    
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ATi doesn't exist.
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I class the VRAM on your card as part of your GPU. Its not just VRAM where the 660 excels over the 460, its also the CUDA cores 938 to be precise. THAT's twice as much as my 480's had and then the clocks are high aswell ~1Ghz, my 480's were at 850mhz and that was overclocked.

If you knew what you wrote then you'd realise that a Kepler core =/= Fermi core. If it were then you'd see a linear increase in performance but you don't.
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Your experience once you hit your VRAM limit vary from game to game. The PCi-e lanes with low latency memory can suffice for things that aren't too hungry. As always though unless you are going over 1080p and/or using high amounts of AA.

PCI-e lanes don't have memory, and the amount of bandwidth that they do have is almost never saturated by current cards.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/07/18/pci_express_20_vs_30_gpu_gaming_performance_review/1
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I listened to your point then expressed my own narwal mate, just because I do not see things your way doesn't mean I'm wrong. I am a trained professional and spent hours searching reviews and benchmarks.

It does not make you right either. As far as this community is concerned you don't need to be a professional to research computer building.

Are you an academic or something? You seem awfully concerned with the validity of information. In general, practical projects like this you take all info as part of quantifiable research and not just branded review sites which can be affected by advertising bias. Quantified research defines your own validity.
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post #47 of 48
Looks good but the psu man. Replace that.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SpartanVXL View Post

If you knew what you wrote then you'd realise that a Kepler core =/= Fermi core. If it were then you'd see a linear increase in performance but you don't.
PCI-e lanes don't have memory, and the amount of bandwidth that they do have is almost never saturated by current cards.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/07/18/pci_express_20_vs_30_gpu_gaming_performance_review/1
It does not make you right either. As far as this community is concerned you don't need to be a professional to research computer building.
Are you an academic or something? You seem awfully concerned with the validity of information. In general, practical projects like this you take all info as part of quantifiable research and not just branded review sites which can be affected by advertising bias. Quantified research defines your own validity.

PCI-e lanes have no memory? Really? All electronic pipelines have a cache/buffer of some kind, in the case of PCI-e lanes they use the RAM for command and graphics queuing, most is loaded before the level, some games work on a completely progressive graphics engine loading all the time. If they didn't why would you need RAM, as everything is in your graphics card and could be transferred there straight from your HDD. Eyefinity resolutions ARE fully saturating PCI-e 2.0 lanes. PCI-e 3.0 saved 4GB 680 SLi framerates they suffered from at start, whilst running in LARGE resolutions.

Research is undertaken in a professional controlled manner or what good is doing the research beforehand if you are only going read things, you will learn very little, just what you are told. I am an academic and run my own PC business. I go to computer conventions quite often and I am attending Insomnia in 2 days.

If you are not an academic understanding the more technical areas will prove alot more challenging as you have not been taught by a fully qualified professional to a qualified standard. The reason we keep such tight control of information is exactly the same reason I verify information given on forums, without the basic training the information is often wrong, malformatted or incomplete.

The worse case scenario is I saw a post once with someone advising someone to clean the CPU with toothpaste once. Toothpaste is both corrosive and conductive. Sure it will clean it nice, but may deposit itself in areas and turn hard. THIS IS A BIG NO NO guys, use TIM cleaner and be safe. The same can be said for the lack of static protection people seem to use nowadays, all it takes is to rub one foot across carpet whilst stood working and then touch a component and bang. Touching the side of the case will only earth you at the start, if using this approach one hand must at all time be in contact with the case, this will immediately ground any static "as" is generates.

THIS IS A BUILD LOG. This isn't a place for people to come and tell me how to do it. I wouldn't be building it if I didn't know how. I have both more respect for computers and the abilities they take. Anyone can slot parts together and then insert a disk to install Windows, unless you never got the point of Lego. Where us ACADEMICS come into play is the advanced stuff. Performance Monitoring (I/O and driver performance) (Not benching), OS Tweaking, Driver Tweaking, Graphics Tweaking, Overclocking understanding methods such as skewing and timings other than ramping up bclk and multipliers then finding the appropriate voltage, by a series of elimination. Why not use maths to give yourself an indicator of the intended voltage for and intended speed. The general concensus and I use that term loosely is .3mv per 100mhz increments.

Without people who are educated none of this PC would exist nor would it progress. Sure the community is wanting suppliers to get more involved in forums but for the exact same reasons they try to minimize this method of communication as their information can become distorted unlike on a static webpage.
 
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