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Well in this particular regard AMD is in my opinion still "shining" as unlike Intel low end offerings you still can unlock/Overclock AMD low end products. For example, Sempron 145 is awesome value, for ~25 .. 30 Eur you get a CPU that unlocks to dualcore and overcloks to ~3.5 GHz with quite reliably in my experience. And then there is this new Sempron 190 which is already dualcore and can be overclocked to ~3.5 GHz with just very minor voltage bump in practically any ~35 Eur motherboard. Intel has been locking down their entry level products for quite a while by now and removing ability to switch out CPU's easily in that segment is just another logical step for them.

True, but even a stock intel cpu can usually beat an overclocked amd cpu in the low end market from what i've seen.

In any case, this isn't good news for anyone but intel...
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True, but even a stock intel cpu can usually beat an overclocked amd cpu in the low end market from what i've seen.
In any case, this isn't good news for anyone but intel...

Quite possible - I have not been keeping a keen eye on that segment of late and I think Intel released some new dualcores at comparable pricepoints somewhere recently.

Anyway - even if they would lock down all of their CPU's I'm pretty sure people would find a way to overclock them. It would just no longer be mainstream thing to do if it would mean voiding the warranty and having to do hardware modifications like back in the early days. Then again I really doubt hat Intel would do such thing considering that they do sell "K" versions of their CPU's at quite nice price premium and I'd imagine they would not be doing that if there would be no profit to be made from that. Another issue is the motherboard manufacturers - while Intel does not need them at all costs and they would most likely keep producing Intel boards with embedded CPU's I'd imagine that making all their CPU's embedded might "piss off" the main motherboard manufacturers which might, in turn, mean that they start looking actively for alternatives. When they do, it might mean putting their heads togehter and coming up with somekind of ARM socket standard - now granted - ARM has a very long way to go as far as "mainstream" goes but as far as I can see its kind of shaping up to be able to offer some kind of alternative to the x86 - main thing holding it back for now is software support ofc and the market itself is very fragmented as well. But the chips themselves are kind of getting into the power range where for your average Joe who just wants to browse web and watch youtube with very occasional text editing or spreadhseet plus casual gaming a la angry birds these would be adequate. Thats why' in my opinion, Intel is trying to bring the costs down even more and push the TDP down as well - to compete with the ARM cost and powerconsumption wise down there in the bottom of the CPU power barrel. Up in the enthusiast segment having ARM chips on the market is nonissue.
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Heck, some new phones co ing out can drive 1080p screens and surf the web. In two to three year phone will have the power to be a every day machine, just hhave a monitor and a keybord. its just gaming and othe power pc stuff that we need our rigs for, the 1155 i7 is still rated as a performance part on Intels road map, so finger crossed we can get them on a socket,
The only reason I like the socket is so that the motherboard supplier can't mark up the processor price, if we have to buy CPUs through asus and the like we are going to get bit by mark ups, frown.gif
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They will, pardon the pun, adapt.

Not likely to work for something as complex, or clocked as highly as a modern desktop CPU.

There used to be all sorts of socket adapters and upgrades, but not any more, electrical tolerances are far too tight to make them practical.
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If there was ever a time for AMD to shine, it would be now...

This.

Now watch their CEO-of-the-day fumble this and ruin what would've been a TERRIFIC chance for them to gain a big advantage.
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Since when is denying the user the ability to customize their computer progress?

thumb.gif Taking the "personal" out of personal computer..doesn't seem like a good idea to me.Being able to customize your own computer is what made PCs popular in the 1st place.If Intel goes this route..Guaranteed their sales will plummet.
 
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How much money could that possibly save?
You think giant pits of gold spikes are cheap? Ideally, this would lead to the middleman (motherboard vendors) being cut out as well.

 

ROFLZ !! 

 

 Those pins are plated.. you would need tons of them to substantiate any significant quantity in gold. 

 

**And yeah..l im sure major mobo manufacturers are not going to support this either. Why would they allow Intel to mandate how they need to produce/design their products?  A = they wouldnt. 

 

 

 This is the equivalent of Pirrelli announcing that its now making square tires.. and as such, every auto manufacturer will have to start adapting..    Call me crazy.. seems liek stupid media hype to me. I couldnt ever consider this plausible news.

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Just because a device is in a BGA package does not mean it must be soldered to the PCB. There are a great deal of sockets already in use that connect a BGA to the motherboard without being reflowed. Some HP servers I worked on had multiple processors on the motherboard, but only had bare pads on the PCB where they attached. There was a thin plastic shim that went in-between the processor and the motherboard, which had a gold plated cup for each ball to sit in, and a point on the other side to touch the motherboard. This was a single-use device, and more or less built to be disposable as it would "crush" to conform to the inherent imperfections in the solder balls. I could definitely see this used in place of traditional sockets on motherboards. Other more complicated Sockets rated at >5Mhz for BGA packages have already been in existence for a long time.

The problem will lie in volume sales, since the vast majority of motherboards will be sold with the CPU soldered on. There won't be as many customers for loose CPU's, or as many vendors selling them. There will no doubt be a price premium because of this.
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ROFLZ !! 

 Those pins are plated.. you would need tons of them to substantiate any significant quantity in gold. 
Yeah, and Intel just happens to sell millions of these things.
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Ha, you think Intel doesn't already? That's laughable.
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ROFLZ !! 

 Those pins are plated.. you would need tons of them to substantiate any significant quantity in gold. 
Yeah, and Intel just happens to sell millions of these things.
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**And yeah..l im sure major mobo manufacturers are not going to support this either. Why would they allow Intel to mandate how they need to produce/design their products?  A = they wouldnt. 
Ha, you think Intel doesn't already? That's laughable.

 

 Maybe your speaking from some background knowledge here or something? You seem pretty sure about yourself. I dont believe gold plated pins are of significance at all... 

 

just fyi - CPU manufacturers produce guidelines for the mobo specs to be based on.. they do not mandate you use 'x' chipset, or # of RAM slots.. or any of that .. .that is all up to design engineers for the mobo. So do I think its preposterous that Intel would try something like this - YES I do.

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