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Yes. What's wrong with that?

Tell me, friend, what's right with that? Are you okay with the end of custom-built PCs? You built your own computer - why did you do that? I'm honestly curious. The whole reason this forum exists, the reason everyone posts here, is because we're all PC-building enthusiasts. Obviously, we want to be able to build our own computers in the future. How about you?
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Wish more people would read... The article clearly states in the end that there could still be an LGA offering for high end desktops like we all have. It makes perfect since to go to BGA if its going to cut costs for the models sold at Walmart. Rarely do people buy those and upgrade them unless its their first foray into trying to customize a computer.

Performance CPU's would still be available on LGA socket's. Ivy Bridge-E/Haswell-E and so on would be LGA series processors which would fall under the Enthusiast branding.

General purpose CPU's would switch to BGA design, so we will see the next gen Core i3/Core i6/Core i7 to be soldered on the mainboard's as one complete SOC unit(System-On-Chip).

Motherboard manufacturer's would have to come up with a variety of mainboard's with different features suiting consumer demands as the desktop consumers themselves would not be able to upgrade as they wish. They would either have to rely on custom build OEM PC's or switch to the LGA Enthusiast platform which i hope comes down to a much affordable price range by then.
Edited by Hms1193 - 11/23/12 at 12:59pm
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Performance CPU's would still be available on LGA socket's. Ivy Bridge-E/Haswell-E and so on would be LGA series processors which would fall under the Enthusiast branding.
General purpose CPU's would switch to BGA design, so we will see the next gen Core i3/Core i6/Core i7 to be soldered on the mainboard's as one complete SOC unit(System-On-Chip).
Motherboard manufacturer's would have to come up with a variety of mainboard's with different features suiting consumer demands as the desktop consumers themselves would not be able to upgrade as they wish. They would either have to rely on custom build OEM PC's or switch to the LGA Enthusiast platform which i hope comes down to a much affordable price range by then.

i5 and i7 are general purpose/mainstream CPU? The only high end CPU are the E lineup? Are you sure about that? You think that most of us here in OCN are the maintream users?
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ARM will be sooner or later pushed on the desktop market (most probable AMD will be the vector in maximum 3 years from now ) ,and ,guess what ,we will have PC -s with the ARM based APU soldered.
Nothing wrong in this ,the APU-s will simply be like the chipsets we have now
We will only need PSU-s ,the mobos with the CPU-s soldered ,RAM sticks and an amount of SATA/USB devices to complete the system.The PCI-E will most probable be history by then.The CPU and GPU components of the APU will be calibrated for each market shelf.
The CPU/APU/SOC or whatever you call it will simply be a 10-20 dollars chip as it should be.An almost generic meaningless chip.

Those will no doubt exist as Nettops. But they won't replace real PCs.
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Those will no doubt exist as Nettops. But they won't replace real PCs.

Unfortunately they will and they will offer anything needed to a normal/mainstream users .

It s just that they shove into the market the mobo+CPU combo to control the market as they wish to for more profit.

Overclocking may still be present though.We have routers that overclock so why wouldn t those PC-s be like that.

As an AMD user i change like 3 CPU-s per mobo.
If the prices of the combo drops to the equivalent of a CPU upgrade thats it ,you simply change the combo.
Which having in mind the "extraordinary" BIOS support from manufacturers may be the better thing.Look at the manufacturers ,they struggle for months to make a BIOS to work with a specific CPU .
   
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Unfortunately they will and they will offer anything needed to a normal/mainstream users .
It s just that they shove into the market the mobo+CPU combo to control the market as they wish to for more profit.
Overclocking may still be present though.We have routers that overclock so why wouldn t those PC-s be like that.
As an AMD user i change like 3 CPU-s per mobo.
If the prices of the combo drops to the equivalent of a CPU upgrade thats it ,you simply change the combo.
Which having in mind the "extraordinary" BIOS support from manufacturers may be the better thing.Look at the manufacturers ,they struggle for months to make a BIOS to work with a specific CPU .

they won't, don't blow things out of proportions, unless you can prove what you are saying.
Edited by ghostrider85 - 11/23/12 at 1:43pm
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Tell me, friend, what's right with that?
Lower production costs.
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Are you okay with the end of custom-built PCs? You built your own computer - why did you do that? I'm honestly curious. The whole reason this forum exists, the reason everyone posts here, is because we're all PC-building enthusiasts. Obviously, we want to be able to build our own computers in the future. How about you?
Yes, I am okay with that. Because the end is inevitable, and it's better for consumers as a whole. Someday, these devices will become so complex that you'll have no say in how they operate.
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Someday, these devices will become so complex that you'll have no say in how they operate.

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Someday, these devices will become so complex that you'll have no say in how they operate.

Doubt it, it's the other way around, remember the old days that people doesn't know jack about computers?
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Intel is not going to cut out a section of their market share. If they stopped offering upgradable processors, AMD would obviously take that market over. BGA and LGA are very similar technologies, and as someone said earlier in this thread, there are already adapters to go from BGA to whatever. Infact, BGA chips ARE LGA chips, just with solder points pre-attached.

Yes, desktop computers being sold by companies such as Dell, etc are going to convert to using BGA processors instead of LGA. But keep in mind that companies such as Apple have been doing that for years now. I don't think there are any low-end computers nowadays that use anything but BGA. From an engineering aspect, it's a solid choice over LGA. Not having to worry about improper contact between the socket and chip (infact removing the socket from the equation altogether) yields much higher success rates in Quality Control during manufacturing.

Neither Intel nor AMD will drop their enthusiast class processors. They need us too much in terms of seeing what their products can do. Another thing is, how many of you actually have the ability to BUY BGA processors from intel? What the heck makes you think intel would even sell them to you in anything less than orders of a thousand or more?

Edit: I also find it amusing that every person here that thinks Intel is going to jack up the prices on their enthusiast class processors is a AMD fan boy.......
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Not likely to work for something as complex, or clocked as highly as a modern desktop CPU.
There used to be all sorts of socket adapters and upgrades, but not any more, electrical tolerances are far too tight to make them practical.

Incorrect. I've used these kinds adapters in applications where we had signals running at over 10 Ghz stable. It comes down to how the signal is conditioned.
Edited by InitialDriveGTR - 11/23/12 at 4:36pm
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