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Processor fails, you have to nearly disassemble everything inside the case to take out the motherboard. Motherboard fails, you have to discard and entirely good processor and get a whole new combot.

Motherboards dont die as often as you think. When they do its usually because of poorly designed and/or heavily mistreated VRMs.
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If the computer enthusiast market is able to support companies like Corsair and turn them into multi-million dollar operations I don't think we have much to worry about for a good while yet. The 'enthusiast' market is obviously not as big as the 'casual' market but it's big enough to support a pretty large ecosystem of vendors and margins on high-end products are huge.

In other words like the article says there will still be crap to buy for people who like to tinker.

I have no doubt that the future holds some sort of all in one device(s) that you are completely locked out of but honestly it will be so powerful at that point you might not even really care. Crysis 7 beamed directly into your eyeball is going to make any PC gamer wet even if it is coming from an iphone 8.

Also worst-case scenario for this type of thing where you can only buy your cpu/mobo together really wouldn't be that terrible. I've never used more then one CPU in any motherboard I've bought. I'm sure some of you have but I can't see that being a huge deal for that many people in reality.
    
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Saying it is unstoppable is kinda odd. At the end of the day Intel wants your money. If you stop buying their things they will turn it back.
I wonder if this is a bad thing for us as end user I mean we only care about high end i5s and up anyway. Think about the enormous market that is the OEM. Who cares if they give them all BGA setups? I sure don't. It makes buying an Alienware even less appealing now.
For the enthousiasts there is always a way out. If Intel would also kill that part another company will step up into that hole of the market. That is unstoppable. Where there is demand for a product there will be companies creating it.

This.

The average Joe don't know what chip they have in their computer. You can see it in laptops. If you ask someone what is their lappy cpu they will say " It is an Intel" or if they read the specs they will say "it is a Pentium" or whatever. They don't care about the frequency, the kind of ram, they generaly care about the hard disk size, eventually how much ram they have. The CPU is too hard to understand for them.

I know a very few people that actually buy retail parts and assemble their own machine. All others go to store and buy what they see fit. Very few people understand the insides of a computer.

So this move to simplicity and savings will hardly make a dent on Intel sales.

But I cannot stop feeling enraged with Intel. What they are doing destroy our way of life, of us, the builder, the overclocker.

Many moves Intel make are business wise but they don't care for the budget overclocker, like me. You can see it with the K processors. If you want to overclock, buy a K processor, and a Z motherboard.
Same as a car. You want a better engine in your car, then pay more for it, and that should include a better chassis.

But I can't stop hating their deeds. Every move of them to become richer is a blow in many of us.

Many manufacturers will go out of business with the move, but it may become a chance for others. This will be a paradigm ships. The only ones I see with an alternative is AMD. Lets hope AMD can survive until then.
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To be honest I dont really upgrade my CPU only. Its usually together with my motherboard to a new generation so I see this as a bigger problem for the motherboard manufacturers than for the consumers.

True. I've only done this 2 times in the past 10 years, and both times were relatively minor upgrades.
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Motherboards dont die as often as you think. When they do its usually because of poorly designed and/or heavily mistreated VRMs.

Also true (knock on wood ... and in my case). I can't remember the last time ... or even IF ... I've had a defective motherboard, and I've been building IBM compatible PC's for myself and my family since the early 1980's. I'm sure there was at least one in there, especially in the early days of personal computing, but I really can't remember one in the last decade or two. I buy quality parts, and they typically don't fail.
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I can't imagine Intel going this route. It would kill enthusiast business and slow their global domination goals. I wish I was joking about that last part. tongue.gif Though I read somewhere with Haswell, Intel may not go the route of fluxless material.
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To re-quote the article:
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While mainstream chips will reportedly be only supplied in BGA form-factors soldered to mainboards, which eliminates upgrade possibility, it is likely that high-end desktop (HEDT) platforms will still be supplied in LGA packaging. What remains to be seen is how expensive will such chips be.

Even if they don't, though, the community will most likely find a way around it, just like they did with delidding Ivy bridges.
After all, the pursuit of performance is a lot more thrilling when you have to pull crazy stunts to get it.
If they do end up doing this, I'll consider it a challenge.
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Oh, so they are going to do this to servers as well? Not likely. We will probably see something like a blade config come to the enthusiast market.
    
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I don't remember the last time I ever upgraded my CPU in the past 20 years. Every time my PC was due for a upgrade it was a complete overhaul. Only exception is the video card which I upgraded at least twice with each build.
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I don't remember the last time I ever upgraded my CPU in the past 20 years. Every time my PC was due for a upgrade it was a complete overhaul. Only exception is the video card which I upgraded at least twice with each build.

20 years since you've upgraded a CPU... Why are you even on OCN? tongue.gif
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20 years since you've upgraded a CPU... Why are you even on OCN? tongue.gif

I'd assume that's not what he meant wink.gif
Welcome to OCN btw, gAMEtiME ^^
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