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This will most definitely kill a large part of the motherboard market and restrict the amount of choices for buyers. I hope this is a lie and If its not, I can see alot of people jumping to AMD to avoid this issue.
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Disappointing if true.
Disappointing? Yes. Unexpected? No.

Such is the way of things. Any good business is going to cut costs where they can, in pursuit of the "sweet spot." It's a science, really. It's like finding the "perfect" algorithm for weather prediction. Or Moore's Law — things will halt when a point is reached where shrinking provides no additional benefit or actually becomes detrimental. Or how markets tend to shift towards a monopoly — point in case the GPU industry. Once it had several vendors, now it's down to two. As time approaches infinity, the probability of a monopoly becomes closer and closer to one. There are laws that prevent this, but unrestrained, the universe would favor a single, global distributor for pretty much every good.

In this case, it seems that the savings from soldering a chip to the system board outweigh the savings from flexible upgrades and individual component replacement. Caches used to be separate form the CPU — now they're integrated. Memory controllers are now integrated. Graphics are now integrated. Someday we probably won't have anything that resembles a motherboard at all.

I for one, embrace our new embedded overlords.

Every example you gave is beneficial to the end user.

I cannot fathom how soldering desktop CPUs to the motherboard is beneficial for anyone other than Intel.
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Every example you gave is beneficial to the end user.
Beneficial to some, but not most.
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Every example you gave is beneficial to the end user.
Beneficial to some, but not most.

Integrated caches & memory controllers are faster.

Integrated graphics either provide you with simple, cheap, low-power, compact graphics or GPGPU-accelerated computing.

That's useful to anyone who actually uses their computer to anywhere near its potential.
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How much money could that possibly save?
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Integrated caches & memory controllers are faster.
Integrated graphics either provide you with simple, cheap, low-power, compact graphics or GPGPU-accelerated computing.
That's useful to anyone who actually uses their computer to anywhere near its potential.
How much money could that possibly save?


$$$ via upgrades.

Intel already has a long history making their user base have to buy a new motherboard every new generation or so because of some new mundane socket. Now instead of forcing users to buy a new motherboard every new generation or so, they have to now buy a new motherboard during the same generation if they want to upgrade their processor.
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Integrated caches & memory controllers are faster.
Integrated graphics either provide you with simple, cheap, low-power, compact graphics or GPGPU-accelerated computing.
That's useful to anyone who actually uses their computer to anywhere near its potential.
I misunderstood you. Yes, every example I gave is beneficial to the user base as a whole. Do you think there are some people that could have benefited from decoupled caches and memory controllers? I'm sure there are niche scenarios where it could be useful. But do we cater to the niche, or to whole?
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How much money could that possibly save?
You think giant pits of gold spikes are cheap? Ideally, this would lead to the middleman (motherboard vendors) being cut out as well.
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Money and form factor.
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Ideally, this would lead to the middleman (motherboard vendors) being cut out as well.

Why? AIC vendors solder already.
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not a fan of this at all. What will happen to companies like ASUS ? will they provide cpus now aswell?
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Why? AIC vendors solder already.
Yeah, I know. Not sure why I said that.
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I suspect that the amount of possible combinations might drop but we'll have to wait and see.

It's a change and If done right, it might clear up the confusion some people encountered with motherboard-cpu combinations. If you think about it, we don't need to order a separate NB or SB processor either smile.gif

I don't know, time will tell smile.gif
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