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Bad move. Unless it's quantum computing after Haswell it won't go down well with PC users.
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post #52 of 276
Well to be honest if this was true, it wouldn't be shocking. We are coming upon a new era of hardware, and if I had to guess no one here knows how to mod quantum states or hardware. So in a sense it is them just posturing before the change.
Quantum computing already used in limited format, and Probabilistic computing in testing, which plans to do away with binary code and hardware voltage as we know it.
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it'll cut down on bent motherboard pin rma's???
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If this ends up the way I think it will, going Haswell-E then to AMD.
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you guys realize that most of us here uses "high end" PC right? mainstream are those prebuilt walmart PCs.
it clearly says in the article that high end PCs will still have lga socket.

what will happened to motherboard manufacturers you asked? well they can sell motherboards with built in CPU, just like how they sell graphics card with built in GPU. and they can still sell high end intel motherboards with lga sockets.

makes sense to me, mainstream PC users doesn't really needs a removable CPU, they won't even dare to open their PC case.
Edited by ghostrider85 - 11/22/12 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

you guys realize that most of us here uses "high end" PC right? mainstream are those prebuilt walmart PCs.
it clearly says in the article that high end PCs will still have lga socket.
what will happened to motherboard manufacturers you asked? well they can sell motherboards with built in CPU, just like how they sell graphics card with built in GPU. and they can still sell high end intel motherboards with lga sockets.
Wait you mean we are supposed to read the article before posting?

Too late, the pitchforks are already out.
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In this case, it seems that the savings from soldering a chip to the system board outweigh the savings from flexible upgrades and individual component replacement. Caches used to be separate form the CPU — now they're integrated. Memory controllers are now integrated. Graphics are now integrated. Someday we probably won't have anything that resembles a motherboard at all.

Caches must be integrated because cache control is important for out of order computation and for proper branch prediction/recovery.
Memory controllers might work faster when they are integrated, but they put much more strain on CPU and memory manufacturers to have properly compatible components, and memory controllers on chip can cause stuff to be burned out. When you look at XQ chips they have still insane RAM bandwidth, just moving it to CPU changed stuff to be cheaper to manufacture, thus the bandwidth was available even for low end CPUs.

Graphics card integrated on chip was choice of Intel, and possibly AMD, they work better when they are separate. As long as they can be disabled when not used, they only make CPU more expensive. When they are not completely disabled, they wreaks havoc during overclocking. (Which is the reason why I liked these celerons, or E2xxx, or E5xxx chips better for overclocking. They have less cache, thus less thing can go wrong. 200 MHz better overclock would completelly kill the difference in cache, and 400 MHz higher overclock... YES. Also less strain on MB, and possibly lover voltage during overclocking, especially when that chip was moved into lower category for bad bus part. Then Intel locked low end chips.)
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I'm personally more of a silencer than overclocker, so this doesn't directly upset me since high-end motherboards never were my niche. However, if this will result in a completely integrated solution with no expendability options such as (discrete GPUs, RAID controllers, USB/Firewire/Thunderbolt/etc..), or the pushing of such features into extreme high-end price-bracket, then I would object strongly. I very much enjoy being able to have an i7 in a Mini-ITX motherboard, or an E-ATX one if one wants a small cluster of GPUs for super high-end gaming or 3D work.. If this evolution in manufacturing is going to be a major hindrance to that, then I very much dislike the idea (although as stated they might preserve a more modular platform like LGA2011 or equivalent if any of this is true in the first place).

Also, I'm not a political radical of any sort but I very much dislike the trend how in every thread there's always a blindly pro-authoritarian person offering one-lined rebuttals at everyone who doesn't share their and the company's view.
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Bad move. Unless it's quantum computing after Haswell it won't go down well with PC users.

Is Haswell coming out in 2050?
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I wonder if this could help improve stability - you would be able to tune the board and other IC design to the specific chip rather than the family of chips.

I'm glad the high end will stay as LGA though, at least for the time being.

Either way people will find a way to OC and adapt. I bet there was a similar hue and cry when they started changing from OC'ing by DIP switches...
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Well i guess thats it for TIM manufacturers

TIM? You will still need to mount a heat sink.
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