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I'd still preffer Ninja plus. At least CPU will not warm memories and mosfets.
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/ubiq/20121122_574440.html
This is the original article. I wonder how many people can read it.
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Haswell is my next planned upgrade anyway, so I should be fine in that regard. thumb.gif

I'm quite curious as to what the PC will look like internally 5-10 years from now. Thunderbolt combines PCIe with DisplayPort. USB continues to evolve and grow its capabilities (Apple's Lightning will push the issue with that) while becoming better at data transfer. We're pretty darn close to seeing a whole new system board concept and much more standardization in the I/O area. It'd be kinda cool to see only two types of cables plugged into the computer (barring headphones/speakers). Onboard audio only keeps getting better and will take up less and less space in a system. As I read it, the only thing that is not being (publicly) innovated is RAM interface. Modular mobo ftw?
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This has been inevitable ever since Intel started integrating everything onto the cpu die.


Move along, it's just Intel forcing Enthusiasts/overclockers to buy higher tier products.
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post #84 of 276
Disclaimer: I actually read the article. redface.gif


With that out of the way tongue.gif, I have to say that, if this were true, it does not make much sense for some of the mainstream market. Of course many form factors already have the CPUs soldered, smartphones, tablets, some laptops, motherboards with Atom CPUs, etc. In the case of the first two I mentioned, it's mainly because of a need for the highest integration possible in the least amount of space, besides you couldn't upgrade the CPU even if you wanted. In some laptops it makes sense, also because of space constraints, ultrabooks, for example, and because of thermal issues - a faster CPU might use more power and the cooling solution wasn't designed for it, not to mention it can be difficult to disassemble the laptop to replace it. Thermal issues in general are a valid reason to not have replaceable CPUs in laptops. With the Atom motherboards I think it's a question of cost - the motherboard is not that expensive, and neither is the CPU, so if either one of them fails, the OEM won't lose much to replace the whole thing. Not to mention that Intel doesn't provide much of an upgrade path for Atoms, so the prospect of upgrading if virtually zero.

For common desktops though I have my doubts that this makes economic sense. There is no space constraint, and anything better than a dual Core Pentium (more than $ 100) is probably already too expensive to afford having the motherboard fail and having to desolder the CPU, risking damaging it, not to mention that it takes time to do that. PC repair shops for example would have a headache, and people would have to wait longer to have the PC repaired, as the motherboard would likely have to be sent in to the OEM instead of just replacing the motherboard in the store. The lack of choice and the nightmare that it would be having to pair different motherboards with different features with a set of different CPUs would also narrow choice and make the whole thing a logistic nightmare for many people in the industry.

Of course, the high-end will remain, we are still a few hundreds of thousands around the world and we are also part of what makes a brand desirable, and we will always be a niche, we always have, we will always be, and that is actually a good thing. Heck, in the beginning the whole owning a PC was niche, so there is no need to be alarmist just yet.

Besides, the general people who up until a few years ago loathed computers and thought of themselves (in a cool way, of course) as computer illiterate, now that PCs are mainstream, just want one to socialize, and basically have it behave like a kitchen appliance, that is what happens when a set of technologies enters the mainstream. Having said that, for people who buy a desktop, even if they don't ever open the case, I still have my doubts if soldering the CPU to the motherboard, provided we are not talking about very cheap components (including the CPU, like the Atom), makes any economic sense for all parties involved.
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I just don't know what to say...

I'm speechless...
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Haswell-E
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Haswell is my next planned upgrade anyway, so I should be fine in that regard. thumb.gif
I'm quite curious as to what the PC will look like internally 5-10 years from now. Thunderbolt combines PCIe with DisplayPort. USB continues to evolve and grow its capabilities (Apple's Lightning will push the issue with that) while becoming better at data transfer. We're pretty darn close to seeing a whole new system board concept and much more standardization in the I/O area. It'd be kinda cool to see only two types of cables plugged into the computer (barring headphones/speakers). Onboard audio only keeps getting better and will take up less and less space in a system. As I read it, the only thing that is not being (publicly) innovated is RAM interface. Modular mobo ftw?

Additional to this, I hope they make revisions to the power circuitry on newer motherboards and PSU's. I can imagine it would be much more efficient if everything ran off the 12v line rather than having 12v, 5v and 3.3v
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as long as the LGA parts retain the OC ability then im happy.

I cant wait for the hard mods though..that should be fun..biggrin.gif
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If this only affects the low to mid-low tier CPUs, fine. If they decide to do this with high end as well, that's going to suck. You know they'd pair those only with very expensive motherboards, packed with features you'll never use to justify the price tag.
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Maybe we are all taking this out of context. Mainstream may well in fact be OEM manufacturers such as Dell, HP, etc.

BGA may be cost-effective for the oems to produce in large quantities. Considering the average user usually won't take their pc apart. Imagine what the business market outlook looks like? I foresee this being implemented strongly in the mobile laptop market, I don see grandma wanting to upgrade her CPU in her $400 Dell laptop year after year.

The point is they may have found a way to minimize cost and maximize market share and profits as a whole. And I do agree this is the evolution of our technology.

What does it mean to us few enthusiast? Jack crap... We are not the majority but a minority of the market share, I'm sure they will still produce the LGA format for higher end builds. So I'm not worried at all...
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