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Tried it at 100%. On Full Load, my Vcore is fluctuating wildly between 1.328 and 1.320. What would you recommend is the best course of action?
Also, not sure if it's of any concern, but right now my Vcore dancing between 1.344V, 1.336V, and sometimes 1.328V constantly. Just on my web browser. Not sure if that is of any importance.

 

Nah, that's normal.  CPUs are "unstable" in this manner of speaking all the time.  The multiplier and clock speed is constantly fluctuating too.

 

Anyway, I don't know why 100% isn't resulting in vRise, but maybe that's just the way MSI designed this board.  I don't really know if there's a 'best' course of action to take, but it looks to me like even 100% Vdroop Offset Control is safe.  I would have expected tons of vRise at this setting which would result in the VRM getting rather hot.  So, I don't know; maybe 100% on this board is safe for the VRM with its stock passive heatsink.  I'm not sure.

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post #32 of 47
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Hmm.

I was thinking that maybe I should run Prime 95 for a few hours and see if anything crashes or goes wrong, or hope that my VRM doesn't fry and I have to get a new MoBo. But with all the strangeness it seems to be giving, I suppose I wouldn't mind in the end getting a new MoBo if it doesn't survive, especially if it confuses even seasoned veterans such as yourself. I got this one for only $100 due to it being an open box item from Newegg, so I wouldn't be out too much if it all goes wrong.

Would my MoBo auto shut off if the VRM got too hot? Or would it just let it self melt into a hot mess?

Thoughts?
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Hmm.
I was thinking that maybe I should run Prime 95 for a few hours and see if anything crashes or goes wrong, or hope that my VRM doesn't fry and I have to get a new MoBo. But with all the strangeness it seems to be giving, I suppose I wouldn't mind in the end getting a new MoBo if it doesn't survive. I got this one for only $100 due to it being an open box item from Newegg.
Thoughts?

 

Well, even though it wouldn't always be physically completely easy, you can occasionally touch the VRM's heatsink while running Prime95.  If it's ever so hot that you can barely touch it, then I would guess it's too hot.  Otherwise, if it's always just warm or just hot but you can still touch it for several seconds and more, then it's ok.

 

I keep wondering if maybe CPU Phase Control being disabled is making this Vdroop Offset Control behave in ways I didn't really expect, especially based on the way I've seen other Z77 board act with LLC.

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post #34 of 47
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I went ahead and gave your thought a try. I took off the side of my HAF X case and ran Prime 95 for about 20 minutes. The VRM never got so hot that I couldn't touch it, although 20 minutes isn't exactly a huge sample time. It did start getting toasty around the 15 minute mark.

However, I should note that I have 4x 120mm Yate Loons on that side panel blowing onto my Mobo, so that would probably knock off quite a bit of heat from heat sinks were it still on. Just for kicks, I held my side panel closed for a bit, and saw my CPU temp drop a good 4C, which raised back up soon after I removed the side panel.

Here's a bit of a show of what I did:


So what I've learned from this all is:
1) My MoBo is a little strange, but it works and that's alright. I'll leave the settings as they are and one day i'll upgrade to a big boy MoBo when I save up enough/this one gives up. I think this 4.5Ghz OC is already pretty great for a novice such as myself.

2) Prime 95 simulates an extremely heavy load on my CPU, while I am just a gamer who accidentally stumbled into the world of custom watercooling and overclocking. Such heavy loads may never even be exerted on my CPU aside from me running Prime 95. The fact that yesterday I couldn't even survive 2 seconds of Prime 95, to running a clean 20 minutes of it with a pretty nice temperature has me rather overjoyed.

3) OCN has a wealth of knowledge, and a wide vast community of knowledgeable people, and I thank you for your help.

Thanks a lot to everyone for your help. Could you recommend any literature or posts that might help me increase my knowledge in the art of Overclocking? Or are stickies a great place to gather all my information?

Again, thank you everyone. +R to everyone.
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I went ahead and gave your thought a try. I took off the side of my HAF X case and ran Prime 95 for about 20 minutes. The VRM never got so hot that I couldn't touch it, although 20 minutes isn't exactly a huge sample time. It did start getting toasty around the 15 minute mark.
However, I should note that I have 4x 120mm Yate Loons on that side panel blowing onto my Mobo, so that would probably knock off quite a bit of heat from heat sinks were it still on. Just for kicks, I held my side panel closed for a bit, and saw my CPU temp drop a good 4C, which raised back up soon after I removed the side panel.
Here's a bit of a show of what I did:

So what I've learned from this all is:
1) My MoBo is a little strange, but it works and that's alright. I'll leave the settings as they are and one day i'll upgrade to a big boy MoBo when I save up enough/this one gives up. I think this 4.5Ghz OC is already pretty great for a novice such as myself.
2) Prime 95 simulates an extremely heavy load on my CPU, while I am just a gamer who accidentally stumbled into the world of custom watercooling and overclocking. Such heavy loads may never even be exerted on my CPU aside from me running Prime 95. The fact that yesterday I couldn't even survive 2 seconds of Prime 95, to running a clean 20 minutes of it with a pretty nice temperature has me rather overjoyed.
3) OCN has a wealth of knowledge, and a wide vast community of knowledgeable people, and I thank you for your help.
Thanks a lot to everyone for your help. Could you recommend any literature or posts that might help me increase my knowledge in the art of Overclocking? Or are stickies a great place to gather all my information?
Again, thank you everyone. +R to everyone.

 

Wow, nice.  :)

 

I hate to say this at this point, but 20 minutes of Prime95 is about 1% of the amount of recommended time to determine whether or not it's stable and ready for everyday use.  I've been told that instability is more stressful on hardware, and it presents the risk of data corruption due to data being processed or read in an unstable environment.

 

With the overclock being this far from stock, it's usually recommended by the experts on here to get your system to the point where it can last more than 12 hours of Prime95's Blend test.

 

So, the bad news is that you're just getting started.  The good news is, this seems to be a good start!

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post #36 of 47
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Wow, nice.  smile.gif

I hate to say this at this point, but 20 minutes of Prime95 is about 1% of the amount of recommended time to determine whether or not it's stable and ready for everyday use.  I've been told that instability is more stressful on hardware, and it presents the risk of data corruption due to data being processed or read in an unstable environment.

With the overclock being this far from stock, it's usually recommended by the experts on here to get your system to the point where it can last more than 12 hours of Prime95's Blend test.

So, the bad news is that you're just getting started.  The good news is, this seems to be a good start!

Oh yeah, I read about that in the Stable Sandy Club. I guess I'll let it run over night and see how it goes. Hopefully it'll still be running by the afternoon tomorrow. Again, Thanks again for your help, I can see you are an active member of the board helping everyone with their issues, and i'm sure everyone appreciates it.

Well, i'm off to do some heavy testing. Wish me luck.
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Oh yeah, I read about that in the Stable Sandy Club. I guess I'll let it run over night and see how it goes. Hopefully it'll still be running by the afternoon tomorrow. Again, Thanks again for your help, I can see you are an active member of the board helping everyone with their issues, and i'm sure everyone appreciates it.
Well, i'm off to do some heavy testing. Wish me luck.

 

Now if only I could get paid for doing this.  It would be a dream job.  hehe  :)

 

Anyway, you're very welcome.  If the system is still working but any of the "Worker" windows says that a worker has stopped, then it's a failed test.  There will be an error message in Prime95 of some kind, but the only thing to know is that it's unstable and to keep tweaking.  Of course, there's also the chance that it could lock up or BSOD.  If you'd like it so your computer doesn't automatically restart upon a BSOD, then I can show you how to do that if you don't already know how.  That way if your system is just sitting at the desktop, then you won't be wondering if you just forgot to start the test or something.

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Just for reference, my idle vcore reads 1.336v (1.344v if it spikes) in cpuz and drops to 1.312-1.328v under load. Vdroop isnt bad if its kept under control from dropping so far to cause a bsod.
I was told and read you want some vdroop as intel designed this to happen. So why do some advise limiting vdroop while others advise to eliminate it?
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Just for reference, my idle vcore reads 1.336v (1.344v if it spikes) in cpuz and drops to 1.312-1.328v under load. Vdroop isnt bad if its kept under control from dropping so far to cause a bsod.
I was told and read you want some vdroop as intel designed this to happen. So why do some advise limiting vdroop while others advise to eliminate it?

 

It helps achieve a lower idle voltage.

 

Although, with your board, you can use an Offset CPU Voltage so that your idle voltage isn't always 1.336V.  Instead, it would be more like 1.000V most of the time.

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It helps achieve a lower idle voltage.

Although, with your board, you can use an Offset CPU Voltage so that your idle voltage isn't always 1.336V.  Instead, it would be more like 1.000V most of the time.

how does llc allow a lower idle voltage ? that would be offset voltage.

yes i use offset. i have since i got my board. actually fluctuates between 0.992 - 1.008v

i dont want to come off as rude but, the question was why do some advise using llc to eliminate vdroop while others advise to use llc to reduce vdroop only enough to eliminate bsod's ?
the original overclockers that wanted to reduce vdroop used pencils and solder to stop and reduce it while others scoffed at the idea. the scoffers claim intel designed their chips that way and the modders were 'nuts'

should i just start a new thread asking which is best, "Reduce or Eliminate VDroop. Your Thoughts and Why" ?
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