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First of all, I know NOTHING from networking stuff...


So my router (ASUS RT-AC66U) can handle Dual Wan settings.

I need that because my TV provider in Belgium (Telenet) needs to have their HD Digicorder (sort of decoder...) directly connected to the Telenet's router. (It must "feel" the WAN or something) Otherwise you cant use the interactive options (ordering movies etc...)

Normaly they install a Modem/Router/WiFi-in-1 device with 4x Gb ports. But because I had trouble before with that (because their devices were bad) I know have a Busines Fibernet Modem (it's just a modem with 1x Gb port. No router or WiFi). --> I wanted that because I wanted my own router (it has more Port Forwarding options than the Telenet's router (I'm a gamer so I need lot's of them to play with friends; sometimes)


I do not want to use another switch in front off my router to bypass it.


So what do I have to do? Here are the 2 options I can choose in my Router:





I used the first one, but that does not work, so it's prolly the second option (LoadBalanced) but what do I have to choose for the Load Balance Configuration?

And the Import ISP profile rules?

I can choose between China or None. And choose Mobile/EDU/Telecom or Unicom



I know the most simpel way is just putting another switch in front of the router, but since it can handle Dual-WAN, it should work tongue.gif and I want it to work that way! tongue.gif

This is my current Network Settup (in Dutch but you get the point...)

   
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Dual-WAN is used if you have two Internet connections. From your diagram you only have one, so setting up a secondary WAN will not work. You have "secondary WAN" configured to be LAN, so I assume WAN functionality can be assigned to any of the Ethernet ports?

Just configure the router to have one WAN and 4 normal Ethernet ports. Connect the Digicoder to one of the ports and away you go.
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Nah not here in Belgium...

The cable company brings in the coax to the NIU (splits TV, Phone, Internet signal)

From the NIU it goes with a coax to the providers modem/router/wifi (whatever you choose, so I only wanted the modem)

That modem normally has 4 LAN outputs, so normally you MUST connect digicorder to 1 of those (it must use the providers given WAN or IP or something like that) --> The other LAN's you can use like you wich.

But I have asked a "special" modem (a busines one) so it has NO router or WiFi options built in. It only has 1 LAN port out.

(If I connect the digicorder directly to that 1 LAN port, it works)

So from that 1 LAN port I normaly have to go to a switch. From that switch to digicorder and rest of network (as the switch will just pass that WAN or IP or ??? thing that the digicorder needs)

But once again I have to do special tongue.gif and don't want to use another switch (if all fails I'll have to tongue.gif)

So I go to the only 1 WAN port of my router (seperated from the 4 other LAN ports) and I can use the 4 LAN ports for my network.

The digicorder is now connected to 1 of those 4 LAN ports, and in the router I can assign any LAN port to be a WAN port.

So I did, but it's not working (in FailOver mode)

So I wanted to try the other option (LoadBalanced) but that give me more options to choose from (as stated above)


And I know it is normally used for connecting 2 different networks, and you're correct, I only have 1 provider.


Hope I'm getting more clear...


Edited by ASUSfreak - 11/23/12 at 9:25am
   
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@OP

Thank you for the explanation. We have something similar here in the UK with Virgin Media - they provide TV, phone and Internet and they also have a three-way splitter. However, each device (phone, TV box, Internet modem) gets its own coax off the splitter - the set top box does not need to connect to the modem to use interactive services.

From what you've been saying, the fact that the Digicoder works when you connect it to the modem, or a switch behind the modem, tells me that the "head end" of the cable company is expecting the MAC address of the Digicorder. The modem will happily pass this through, as will a switch because both devices operate at the same level (Ethernet).

A router however, operates at a higher level (IP, rather than Ethernet MAC), and MAC addresses are non-routable. Also, if you have one of the LAN ports assigned to be a WAN port, it is completely separate from the rest of the LAN ports AND the main WAN port.

If you plug your Digicorder into this WAN port, it is basically not networked to anything. Traffic from the Digicoder will not go into one WAN port and out of the other. It doesn't work like that.

Basically, it sounds like your Digicoder cannot be behind a router.
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@OP
Thank you for the explanation. We have something similar here in the UK with Virgin Media - they provide TV, phone and Internet and they also have a three-way splitter. However, each device (phone, TV box, Internet modem) gets its own coax off the splitter - the set top box does not need to connect to the modem to use interactive services.

Ah, nice, so it comes over coax. Well here it's over UTP :s
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@OP
From what you've been saying, the fact that the Digicoder works when you connect it to the modem, or a switch behind the modem, tells me that the "head end" of the cable company is expecting the MAC address of the Digicorder. The modem will happily pass this through, as will a switch because both devices operate at the same level (Ethernet).
A router however, operates at a higher level (IP, rather than Ethernet MAC), and MAC addresses are non-routable. Also, if you have one of the LAN ports assigned to be a WAN port, it is completely separate from the rest of the LAN ports AND the main WAN port.
If you plug your Digicorder into this WAN port, it is basically not networked to anything. Traffic from the Digicoder will not go into one WAN port and out of the other. It doesn't work like that.
Basically, it sounds like your Digicoder cannot be behind a router.

Ah that make sence know tongue.gif I think I understand, thx! Ok then it's indeed connected to... nothing tongue.gif

I tought when I make it as another WAN, it just passes it thru tongue.gif (bypass from the real WAN to the "faked" WAN)



But I figured this out. I connected the corder directly to modem, resulting in this:

The interactif part like ordering movies etc works

The interactif part like vieuwing what's on the telly for the next 2 weeks does not work...

How weird is that..


Anyway it also gave other faults like sometimes the PAUSE button works, and sometimes not. So I called the provider, couldn't help me offcourse, so I know have to go to the test-center where they have a machine that "fakes" errors so they can read out the box for errors...


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@OP

You're welcome. smile.gif Hope you get your box fixed.
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So they say the box is fine and I have to contact the provider again to check if their modem is all configured correctly....


So I called back and they said they'll have to update the modem and it takes about an hour???!!!

Carry on, I said, but after the hour NOTHING works anymore of the TV-part (interactive part, we can watch TV)


But offcourse the helpdesk was closed after the update I did, so got to wait till tommorow thumb.gif

Gotta love helpdesk people who are less capable than me, a customer...


Oh well, lucky the internet still works tongue.gif
   
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Eventually it works! (had to de some reset functions of the box)

Also I added another switch BEFORE my router, all fine now!

   
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Excellent. biggrin.gif I'm wondering if the Digicorder actually gets an IP address at all. It might not...
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yes it's in the 10.xxx range.

After the router it was in the 169.xxx range

And when the cable is not connected it is in the 0.0.0.0 range tongue.gif (wich I had after switching cables etc... I forgot 1 cable biggrin.gif) --> I had to fix UTP cable thru my house etc... and after pressing the connectors and all I forgot 1 cable...
   
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C: Crucial MX200 250GB D: Caviar Black 2TB E: Spinpoint 750GB F: Raptor 150GB (Ubuntu 12.04 Dual Boot) 
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ASUS BD Thermalright Silver Arrow Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Asus PB278Q 2560x1440p 
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Logitech G11 Corsair 1kW Antec 1200 Logitech G600 
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A4 paper :D Logitech Z-5500 
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Q9450 (2.6GHz to 3.8GHz) ASUS 780i Striker II Formula ASUS GTX 470 8Gb (4x2Gb) Dominators 1066MHz DDR2 
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