This case is a bit of a cable management nightmare, and you can basically forget about neat cable management in this case. There is simply not enough room. The best you can do is keep the wires out of the CPU fan's way, and that's about it. However, the form factor is incredible considering that there is a 3570K and two drives inside.
I initially had some reservations about putting a 3570K into a case with a 90W PSU, but after some extensive research I learned that a 90W PSU would be more than sufficient for a 3570K that was not going to be overclocked. I checked out the PSU that came with the ISK 110, and it comes with a nice power brick made by Delta. The internal DC-DC converter has Nippon Chemi-Con caps and looks well-made. It has no trouble running the hardware in this rig even at full load. Even a 30-minute run of Prime95 was fine without any undervolting.
Exterior:
Assembled:
Back side, showing SSD and 2.5" HDD:
Close-up of DC-DC converter, showing Nippon Chemi-Con capacitors:
Size comparison with a standard 3.5" WD Caviar Black hard drive:
Damn it amazes me how much computing power you can squeeze into such a small form factor, I've seen 3.5" portable HDD bigger than that. 996gt2 your builds are always great with awesome photography too.
killer, man... very impressive and IMO a lot cleaner execution (wire mgmt) than you're giving yourself credit for.
Any idea if there's a way to get a 200W PSU into that thing? Would be fun to hack the mesh off that panel, run a full-size cooler (Noctua, Megahalems, etc) and crank the volts.
killer, man... very impressive and IMO a lot cleaner execution (wire mgmt) than you're giving yourself credit for.
Any idea if there's a way to get a 200W PSU into that thing? Would be fun to hack the mesh off that panel, run a full-size cooler (Noctua, Megahalems, etc) and crank the volts.
Yes, you can use a Pico-PSU (google it), I think they go up to 150W or perhaps 200W. And the side panel can be removed, there is no cutting required.
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would this SFF be able to do any gaming since it has no GPU. Would it be able to run something along the lines of Dota 2?
The HD4000 graphics on the 3570K can handle quite a few games pretty decently, as long as you're not trying to play at 1080P or higher on max detail settings.
The Pico PSU is a DC-DC converter, just like the one that comes with the ISK 110. If you wanted to build a system in an ISK 110 that would draw more than 90W, all you would need besides the PicoPSU is a power brick which can easily be found online.
I'm about to get myself a A10 5800k and undervolt+underclock it as the 5700 will never be available down this side of the world. I'm pretty sure my stock 80w PSU will cry the moment it gets powered on and i cant seemed to find any reference to anyone that have done a PSU swap on this
no reason why a 5800k wont fit in, question is how are you going to feed the beast. no idea about similar case with bigger PSU but i guess you can always use a pico psu but i've yet to see examples of anyone doing it.
I guess i'd take it up to myself to play around when i have time to buy them
There would be zero issues fitting an A10-5800K or any other CPU in here. As long as a Mini-ITX board exists for the CPU that you want to use, you're good to go.
If you wanted to install a more power-hungry CPU like the A10-5800K, you can use a 150W Pico-PSU in place of the standard 90W DC-DC converter. The Pico PSU 150W costs about $45 and will be more than sufficient even for an A10-5800K.
I used the stock cooler that came with the i5-3570K. I wouldn't really recommend overclocking in this case due to the size and power supply constraints, so there isn't really a huge advantage to using an aftermarket cooler.
I haven't had an AMD chip for a while, but the Intel stock cooler is actually very quiet most of the time. Load temps don't go much over about 60-65C on a 3570K which is well under the thermal limit of that chip.
Whichever cooler you use, I highly recommend using low profile RAM in this case. The Samsung 30nm low profile sticks are excellent and easily hit 2133 MHz on both of my systems using it.
Last time I used an AMD stock cooler it was absolutely horrible. >.<
After lurking around for a bit I found only one good AMD-compatible CPU cooler besides the Kozuti (which is virtually out of stock everywhere): the Noctua NH-L9A. Critical to get the L9A instead of L9I, as the L9A is only compatible with AMD and vice versa for the L9I. My one complaint is the colors.
There would be zero issues fitting an A10-5800K or any other CPU in here. As long as a Mini-ITX board exists for the CPU that you want to use, you're good to go.
If you wanted to install a more power-hungry CPU like the A10-5800K, you can use a 150W Pico-PSU in place of the standard 90W DC-DC converter. The Pico PSU 150W costs about $45 and will be more than sufficient even for an A10-5800K. http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-150-XT
thats $45 without the brick, tbh i have doubt that 150w is enough. if you look at full load figures it can sometimes peak to 190w and average game load is somewhere around 120-150w. ether way all load figures are above 100w so i conclude that the 100W TDP only takes account of the CPU side of things and GPU has yet to be factored in
the A10 5700 will draw a peak of 150w and average of 100-110 during heavy loads. if cpu only load then it goes around 70-75w
thats $45 without the brick, tbh i have doubt that 150w is enough. if you look at full load figures it can sometimes peak to 190w and average game load is somewhere around 120-150w. ether way all load figures are above 100w so i conclude that the 100W TDP only takes account of the CPU side of things and GPU has yet to be factored in
the A10 5700 will draw a peak of 150w and average of 100-110 during heavy loads. if cpu only load then it goes around 70-75w
Thats exactly what I was thinking. And sorry for my previous post asking if the 5800k could "fit" >.<. It was late at night and i was at a loss for words lol. I actually was referring to PSU requirements. On topic, I really want to try this but dont want to waste money and find out it isnt possible. WOuld the stock AMD heatsink work in this case? I have a 5800k already, and it looked quite a bit builkier than the stock intel.
thats $45 without the brick, tbh i have doubt that 150w is enough. if you look at full load figures it can sometimes peak to 190w and average game load is somewhere around 120-150w. ether way all load figures are above 100w so i conclude that the 100W TDP only takes account of the CPU side of things and GPU has yet to be factored in
the A10 5700 will draw a peak of 150w and average of 100-110 during heavy loads. if cpu only load then it goes around 70-75w
Thats exactly what I was thinking. And sorry for my previous post asking if the 5800k could "fit" >.<. It was late at night and i was at a loss for words lol. I actually was referring to PSU requirements. On topic, I really want to try this but dont want to waste money and find out it isnt possible. WOuld the stock AMD heatsink work in this case? I have a 5800k already, and it looked quite a bit builkier than the stock intel.
People overestimate PSU requirements all the time.
150W will be more than enough for a A10-5800K provided that it is not overclocked.
The system I built with a 3570K has been running like a champ on the stock 90W PSU. I've put the system through a gauntlet of tests, including tests like Prime95 and LinX, which put unrealistically high loads on the CPU.
I looked at several reviews of the A10-5800K.
Maximum power draw from the wall was 149W for a stock A10-5800K system subjected to unrealistically high loads on both the CPU and GPU. That's power draw from the wall for the entire system, which means the system is only using about 127.5W if you assume the PSU is 85% efficient. A PSU rated at 150W means it can deliver 150W of actual power to the components, or about 175W from the wall. In real-world use, no game would ever load the CPU and GPU as much as running Prime95 and Unigine Heaven at the same time, and so I highly doubt there would be any issues with a PicoPSU 150W and a A10-5800K.
If you look at a more realistic scenario, like power consumption while playing Crysis, the A10-5800K system is only using 116W. Idle draw is only 35W. Crysis is one of the most demanding games out there, and we're still well within a 150W power supply's abilities here. Again, this is total system power consumption measured at the wall, meaning the actual system is using only about 100W at full load.
Not to disagree that it wouldn't work because I do agree most people tend to over estimate PSU requirements. Without any overclocking I don't see an issue, would be nice if someone tried it out though
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Well after posting I saw you post these charts, seems as though it will be cutting it close. If my knowledge is serving me correct here you have to add the 116 and 35W from that chart together, considering their both in the same system. That would mean the Pico 150W would have to provide 100% power output at load. Not too sure if it would cut it on that processor...
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