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GSkill is generally quite good. Failing on small FFTs would suggest its not the ram....
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okay. its hard to address. such a huge block of text... not that i dont appreciate it. lol i do!

 

Yeah, I hesitated before I submitted the post, but then I figured that this stuff is just that important.

 

 

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one thing at a time!
1.The power supply: i here what your saying. i belive what that means though is thats the temerature it GETS TOO and stabalizes @ when its under continuos load? im not sure but thats always the way i looked at it. i see it as similarly to the way processors are rated and sent out crippled so that they still work in LESS THAN IDEAL conditions. i dont know where i read that but that seemed to make sense to me.i mean like i dont think that it would just shut off a transformer in there or something if it reached 45c would it???? no i dont have any idea what im talking about but "transformer" sounded good at the time thumb.gif

 

What I'm saying is that I think that it can continuously deliver 530W even if the PSU's temperature is 40°C, but not if it's over 40°C.  So I think that if the temperature exceeds 40°C, then it can no longer continuously deliver 530W.  Or, I can say that I think the amount of power that it can continuously deliver goes down the higher the temperature goes over 40°C.  So I would assume that at 50°C, it would probably only be able to withstand delivering 530W for only a few minutes before maybe shutting itself off.

 

I'd have to ask.

 

 

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more on the power supply: i have 2 120mm intake fans in front, another 120mm intake fan on the side panel by the processor, 1 more 120mm exaust fan where everyone has one in the back, and one really huge 400000mm??? i have no idea... its like an 8 inch fan on top. i have heard these only take up a watt or two but i dont know how well i belive that because sometimes it feels like they just start to slow down when the cpu goes under load. i might be paranoid. its like everyday they are moving slower....0.o

 

Yeah, fans don't consume enough power to be worries about that.  If you're concerned that their speed is affected by CPU load, then CPUID's Hardware Monitor (or "HWMon") might show you their speeds.  Although, it depends on which fan headers on the motherboard the fans are connected to.  If they're plugged directly into the PSU, then there's no way to monitor them.

 

 

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more. also i noticed at about 1.37v my processor was very stable and then so i rased it up one notch and it booted fine but it failed. then i added juice too. it bluescreened. then i removed my usb hard drive, my usb headset, and my xbox 360 wireless usb receiver and i disabled every thing i could in the bios that seemed like it would draw power. "like the onboard audio" i dont even know if that makes a difference. but i tried it and it booted fine. then i started adding things back and it worked fine until i added my usb external flash drive. whats that about?

 

I honestly don't know.  I recommend making a thread here on OCN to ask (I would use "Intel - General" because right now it seems like it could be anything).  Although, I feel that it can't be a PSU problem because these things consume tiny amounts of power, and you only have one GTX 460 in your system.

 

To be honest, it could just be instability due to having all of these things going on in the system.  I remember a time when I upgraded from a 9800 GTX+ to a GTX 260 (back when I had my E8400 in the EVGA 680i SLI), and I had to restabilize my E8400 overclock!  I never asked about it, so I don't know for sure if this is normal, but I have seen it happened to a few others during my time here on OCN.

 

So, I think it's just a matter of using up more and more resources.

 

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im kindof a usb buff. i really like my usb stuff it seems like i always have all my usb ports full lol. thats why if i ever needed another power supply that would be the reason because i always have alot of them and they use alot of bandwidth like the Dolby Digital headset thats got 6 speakers in it and i just figured you know.... somethings gotta power that crap too right?? whats more is i moved to a usb keyboard as well and also a Razor death adder mouse. i really like that mouse btw!
but thats just another thought on the power supply. as for other things i only have 1 optical drive and one sata hardrive to power.

 

Yeah, but all of those things draw such tiny amounts of power that it's not enough to make enough of a difference to be concerned about.

 

 

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2. Memory Controller: the only reason i called the MCP that is because someone else called it that in an overclocking thread on the same board and it made sense because they had to raise the voltage to overclock the ram and that made sense to me so i just went with it. (before that i always figured it was like media control somethin. i figured it had something to do with the graphics card ports or sli and onboard audio.)

 

You're right that it's not the memory controller.  MCP stands for Media and Communications Processor..  It's just the south bridge.  The SPP is the northbridge, and SPP stands for System Platform Processor.

 

Please don't be impressed; I looked this stuff up.  :)  Although, I did remember which one is the south bridge and which one is the north bridge!

 

I don't know how to describe in my own words what these do, so I can only recommend that you look them up too.

 

 

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3.my ram is not the same i dont think: just so you know my ram is NOT ddr2 800. it is ddr2 sdram 1066.

 

Oh, then try to set it to as close as 1066 MHz in the BIOS as possible using Unlinked and set all the other memory settings manually to stock.  That's what I did, and I had excellent results (again, using Unlinked).

 

 

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whats more is where yours is rated at a lower 800mhz. and rated for 2.1 to 2.2...my reccomended voltage is only 2.0 to 2.1. the reason i called 2.2 my max is because thats what people have called the "absolute max" for ddr2 .

 

Actually, it's closer to about 2.3V if the memory is rated for up to 2.2V and also has good heatspreaders on it.  ;)

 

 

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but what the heck? why would your ram thats rated for less mhz be rated for more voltage!? and the stock timings are 5-5-5-15. maybey my ram is crap. do you have like ooober ballistix in there or something?

 

5-5-5-15 is actually good for DDR2 1066 MHz memory.  It is just like having 4-4-4-12 for DDR2 800 MHz.

 

This is the memory I started out with:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146673

 

It's made by Mushkin, and at the time, Mushkin called it "HP" for High Performance.  Although, there were other series they had that were better.  The next one up was "XP" for "Xtreme Performance" (lol), and today they call it their "Blackline".  Then the next one up past that was their flagship:  Redline.  Today, their offerings are a LITTLE different, but they're generally still similar to the way it was back in the days of their "HP" and "XP" names.

 

The memory I upgraded to back then that could do 1T was a Mushkin XP kit:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146726

 

I don't like compromises very much.  :)

 

At the time I bought the first kit there, Crucial Ballistix were supposed to be the best.  However, I was on OCN (even back then lol) and a few experts recommended Mushkin to me over everything else.  So, I did some research and I was very impressed.  I was definitely not disappointed at all.  I loved both kits.  Plus, that blue anodized finish was beautiful in person.  There aren't any pictures that I've seen that can do them justice.

 

When I upgraded to the EP45-UD3P, I eventually bought these used from another OCN member:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231201

 

The photos don't really do them justice.

 

 

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i wish i had some made to handle 1333mhz. now then i would be in business for sure! i could run 1 to 1 ratio like a beast at 4 point somethin gigahurtz! that would be some fast ram. biggrin.gif

 

With nForce boards, it's more important to work on timings than the ratio.  My ratio was like 15:16 or something back then, but my performance and stability was just fine.  With Intel chipsets (like the P45 I had, for example), it is more important to shoot for a 1:1 ratio and work on the memory clock speed.  So, loosening timings is an Intel chipset thing, not an nForce chipset thing.  ;)

 

 

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you could help me clear that up too btw. the mhz is more like bandwidth then actual speed right? from what i understand is that the higher the megahertz the more it moves. and the timings determine the actual speed?

 

Good question, but I don't know.

 

 

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4. i dont think ill ever be done... its just human nature i think... nothing is ever good enough. but thaats normal right? tongue.gif

 

Quite.  When I had my E8400 in the EP45-UD3P, I skipped an upgrade to the first generation Intel Core i3 or Core i5 or Core i7 because I thought it was just a waste of money.  I almost skipped an upgrade to Sandy Bridge (2nd Generation Core i3/i5/i7), but unfortunately I accidentally got myself involved in a thread about Sandy Bridge and the next thing I knew, I was placing an order for new parts.  Sigh.   lol  Although, it was a huge upgrade.  I have no regrets whatsoever.

 

 

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UPDATE: oh yah i forgot. im still using the mass cool. the temperatures were just a tiny tad lower at idle but the same under load.
errm... let me know if i missed somethin. thanks alot. : )

 

Yeah, but wasn't that back when the temperature was maxing out at 72°C?  I mean, I just can't help but wonder if the Zalman would bring the 78 down to like 74 or maybe 72-73°C.  I have a slight doubt, although that's a lot of physical labor.

 

I don't know if there's anything you missed, and there's no way I'm going to check either.  lol  :)

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hey thanks for the info alan. yah im using 2x2gb Gskill i belive this is the exact stuff here

 

Oh, I remember this being a highly and frequently recommended kit back in the day!

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yah we had a friend named "HardBOOB" of all things.. we just called him boob lol anyways, between him and his friend EL1M1NAT0r they were kind of like the gurus of custom built pcs for our clan and i belive boob was the one who recommended the ram. i havent talked to them in forever. who knows... maybey they will see my posts here?

Im debating on weather to overvolt the north and south brige. im trying to look up information to find out what the symptoms of them being undervolted are and how much is too much. i think maybey thats where the hardlocks were coming from before but its so hard to tell whats what.

i remember at one point i had thought i had it somewhat stable but i failed after like 20mins of prime and then i bumped up the spp and it actually made it so it wouldnt pass a single test at all and i mean like truly instantanious fail. and i think i froze when trying to reboot too. but then i reverted back to the previus settings and it was just the same as before and ran prime for about 20mins. i think this board might have like some kindof interference when the other modules are volted to high. is that what was making the processor unstable? and how would i know if it was?
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yah we had a friend named "HardBOOB" of all things.. we just called him boob lol anyways, between him and his friend EL1M1NAT0r they were kind of like the gurus of custom built pcs for our clan and i belive boob was the one who recommended the ram. i havent talked to them in forever. who knows... maybey they will see my posts here?

 

lol HardBOOB!  I wish I could come up with awesome names like that.

 

Link them to this thread if you want them to see it.

 

 

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Im debating on weather to overvolt the north and south brige. im trying to look up information to find out what the symptoms of them being undervolted are and how much is too much. i think maybey thats where the hardlocks were coming from before but its so hard to tell whats what.
i remember at one point i had thought i had it somewhat stable but i failed after like 20mins of prime and then i bumped up the spp and it actually made it so it wouldnt pass a single test at all and i mean like truly instantanious fail. and i think i froze when trying to reboot too. but then i reverted back to the previus settings and it was just the same as before and ran prime for about 20mins. i think this board might have like some kindof interference when the other modules are volted to high. is that what was making the processor unstable? and how would i know if it was?

 

This is over my head, actually.

 

I am remembering more about what voltages I used.  I had my FSB maxed out at 1.4V because 1.5V is not safe for the E8400 or E8500 (or any 45nm CPU), I had the SPP at 1.45V, and I think I left the MCP at 1.5V.  I'm not sure.  I might have had it at 1.55V, or possibly as high as 1.65V.  Although, I think I left my MCP at the lowest setting of 1.50V because I never saw any recommendations to increase it.

 

I believe that 1.4V FSB and 1.45V SPP helped me, but I don't know if it did or not because I didn't really know what I was doing.  I don't really know what I'm doing today, but fortunately overclocking has been made easier today.

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North bridge for the ram, like to help 4GB at higher clocks (if failing large TFTs?) ...don't think you have to touch south bridge except maybe if you have a lot of drives and I/O...leastways, on Intel chipsets...
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