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So after wanting to for a long time, I've got my hands on a CPU pot. I already have a few socket 775 processors and I'm very familiar with overclocking them. Now that I have the pot and cpu, I need a motherboard to overclock them with.

I need some recommendations for the absolute cheapest, used, 775 board for about $50-$80, possibly $100 if I really need it, on eBay just to get me started. It only really needs support for DDR2 and not really any Core2Quads, just Core2Duo's. I'd prefer not to but I can vmod them if I have to.

I'm open to any and all suggestions!


Oh and one board I'm specifically wondering about is this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-P5N-E-SLI-CPU-Combo-Video-Card-/221158023848?pt=US_Motherboard_CPU_Combos&hash=item337e0ba2a8


And If I get a bit more money, is this board a good one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Maximus-II-GENE-Skt775-Core2Quad-1600FSB-2xPCIe-DDR2-1300-SATA3-RAID-CrossF-/310477273372?pt=Motherboards&hash=item4849e3391c


Also welcome to any advice on what chipsets to look for.
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Get the maximus II gene, it'll overclock MUCH better over the nvidia board. Chipsetwise, any decent board with P45 will overclock spectacularly well. X48 is also a good bet.

A good example of just how well P45 will overclock are these two validations i did myself
C2 Extreme X6800: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2517567 (stable)
C2 Quad Q9400: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2529978 (not stable)

And no my board is not for sale. tongue.gif
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Get the maximus II gene, it'll overclock MUCH better over the nvidia board. Chipsetwise, any decent board with P45 will overclock spectacularly well. X48 is also a good bet.
A good example of just how well P45 will overclock are these two validations i did myself
C2 Extreme X6800: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2517567 (stable)
C2 Quad Q9400: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2529978 (not stable)
And no my board is not for sale. tongue.gif

Thanks for the advice on the chipset! I'm really liking that unstable 4GHz clock.

Now with the board you have, was there still alot of room above 4GHz to push it if you had better cooling or would I need vmods at that point?


Also, is the normal asus p5q (not the E or deluxe version) still any good?
     
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Thanks for the advice on the chipset! I'm really liking that unstable 4GHz clock.
Now with the board you have, was there still alot of room above 4GHz to push it if you had better cooling or would I need vmods at that point?
Also, is the normal asus p5q (not the E or deluxe version) still any good?
With a dual core i have no doubts my board can crack 525+ without better cooling. With a quad on the otherhand, i'll definitely need better cooling and more volts before i can get 2ghz FSB stable. Vmodding this board is rather pointless because by default it'll go up to 1.8v, and with a jumper switch, it'll go all the way to 2.2v on the NB. Fatal, but with extreme cooling should net 600mhz or better.

And as for the board, any p45 board is guaranteed to hit 450-475mhz. After that its all part of the silicon lottery. Higher end boards will generally have better binned chips on them, better power delivery, and more voltage options. If you want a cheap copy of my board, look here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1310425/can-us-775-560ti-pcp-c-psu-ddr2-8800gs/0_50
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Most P45 are going to be good. I'd suggest a giga EP45-ud3p or ud3r. It's a versatile board that can do both duals and quads. Other P45 are going to have a hard time with quads. I have a p5q3 deluxe and was having a hard time getting passed 520 fsb with a Q6600. With an E8600 I have a hard time getting over 630fsb. Thats spending some time tweaking gtl's and other settings. I'm sure i can do more, but I have to spend more time with it.

The giga board i mentioned can do that stuff practically with all auto settings with the exception of vcore, vtt, and NB voltage. With the giga I did over 650fsb with easy and got my old Q6600 to about 4.8ghz. The Q6600 was the 2nd time ever trying sub zero. I had an abit IP35-pro prior to that which was good for its time, but required more work.
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Yeah the p45 ud3r (non-crossfire version of the UD3P - thus making is cheaper) is probably going to give you the best FSB cap for the price. Asus P5s were also really solid and I believe people were achieving high FSBs with the P45 Biostar Tpower as well.

If you're really wanting to go cheap, the p35s were also very solid... they only really struggled with the FSB on quads. Off the top of my head, I recall the DFI p35 blood iron being an absolute beast in it's day allowing for frightful FSBs on 65nm and 45nm dualcores (though I don't remember exact numbers). The gigabyte P35 ds3r and ds3p were also pretty good, though not nearly on the same level as the blood iron..

In your price bracket though, it shouldn't be too hard to find a used P45 UD3R/UD3P so I'd just go with that...
Edited by killa_concept - 11/25/12 at 1:45am
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With a dual core i have no doubts my board can crack 525+ without better cooling. With a quad on the otherhand, i'll definitely need better cooling and more volts before i can get 2ghz FSB stable. Vmodding this board is rather pointless because by default it'll go up to 1.8v, and with a jumper switch, it'll go all the way to 2.2v on the NB. Fatal, but with extreme cooling should net 600mhz or better.
And as for the board, any p45 board is guaranteed to hit 450-475mhz. After that its all part of the silicon lottery. Higher end boards will generally have better binned chips on them, better power delivery, and more voltage options. If you want a cheap copy of my board, look here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1310425/can-us-775-560ti-pcp-c-psu-ddr2-8800gs/0_50

Seems like the board you have is pretty good then, those voltages look really nice.

You have to look at where I'm comming from, my highest FSB was 357mhz or so, so 500 would be awesome to me.
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Most P45 are going to be good. I'd suggest a giga EP45-ud3p or ud3r. It's a versatile board that can do both duals and quads. Other P45 are going to have a hard time with quads. I have a p5q3 deluxe and was having a hard time getting passed 520 fsb with a Q6600. With an E8600 I have a hard time getting over 630fsb. Thats spending some time tweaking gtl's and other settings. I'm sure i can do more, but I have to spend more time with it.
The giga board i mentioned can do that stuff practically with all auto settings with the exception of vcore, vtt, and NB voltage. With the giga I did over 650fsb with easy and got my old Q6600 to about 4.8ghz. The Q6600 was the 2nd time ever trying sub zero. I had an abit IP35-pro prior to that which was good for its time, but required more work.

So it seems P45 we've established, P45 is good, nvidia chipsets is bad. It does seem like it might be a good idea to get some more cash and just get the UD3R right from the start.

I'm not really concerned with quads because I don't have the cash to keep buying them or even to buy one and the Dice Pot I got is homemade and I'm not sure if it has the mass to cool a quad (I didn't recieve it yet) http://www.overclock.net/t/1330096/freebie-beginners-dice-pot

And what is "gtl"?

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Yeah the p45 ud3r (non-crossfire version of the UD3P - thus making is cheaper) is probably going to give you the best FSB cap for the price. Asus P5s were also really solid and I believe people were achieving high FSBs with the P45 Biostar Tpower as well.
If you're really wanting to go cheap, the p35s were also very solid... they only really struggled with the FSB on quads. Off the top of my head, I recall the DFI p35 blood iron being an absolute beast in it's day allowing for frightful FSBs on 65nm and 45nm dualcores (though I don't remember exact numbers). The gigabyte P35 ds3r and ds3p were also pretty good, though not nearly on the same level as the blood iron..
In your price bracket though, it shouldn't be too hard to find a used P45 UD3R/UD3P so I'd just go with that...

Yep it seems like I should just get more money and get the P45 UD3R.

But how does that Maximus II that I linked compare to the P45 UD3R?

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GTL are settings in bios that directly correspond with vtt and you also have NB gtl. Fine tuning of gtl values are absolutely necessary on the P5Q lineup to achieve high FSB. I can't give you a detailed explanation of what they are or what they do, since I'm not sure. I just know they needed tuning.

I still stand behind my recommendation for the EP45-UD3P or UD3R. The price can vary between $70-120 or whatever the seller thinks it's worth. I wouldn't pay more than $80 for one. As for the UD3R being cheaper, it really just comes down to whats available.

Even though you might not being doing quads now, that doesn't mean you won't in the future. You might as well buy a board that can do both now. It's also much easier to learn and will prevent much frustration. The only issue with the giga is the boot loop, but thats a common giga issue and easily fixed. You just need to shut down, flip the power switch and then turn everything back on. The asus recover much easier from crashes than the giga boards, but that shouldn't stop you from buying one. There is a reason that these boards were very popular in their day. I've owned about 3 UD3P and also used an EP45T-usb3, which is a ddr3 version of it.

Killa concept mentioned a biostar Tpower i45. That board was known for very high fsb, but it requires a little more work than the giga and is also extremely hard to find. I use the P5q3 deluxe more than the tpower just because of the ddr3. Matter of fact, I think i'll try my Q6600 on it today.
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Well all the UD3R's on eBay have dissappeared.

What would be the next best board from the EP45 UD3R that is about $80-$100?

Perhaps the ASUS P5B Deluxe? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-P5B-DELUXE-Motherboard-Intel-P965-LGA-775-/140888728111?pt=Motherboards&hash=item20cd9f622f
     
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Well all the UD3R's on eBay have dissappeared.
What would be the next best board from the EP45 UD3R that is about $80-$100?
Perhaps the ASUS P5B Deluxe? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-P5B-DELUXE-Motherboard-Intel-P965-LGA-775-/140888728111?pt=Motherboards&hash=item20cd9f622f
Next best board that i would personally recommend is any Asus high end p45 board. I've already posted my results, and i know for a fact there is one available on the OCN market.

As for the board you linked in this post: its chipset is too old for mind blowing overclocks especially with low multiplier processors. And there's the fact the cooling on half of the VRM's is non-existent, further limiting the overclocking potential.

With a quality LGA 775 board you want: 6-8 Phase power (count the number of little gray boxes near the socket, as each one corresponds to a single power phase), heatsinked mosfets (cooler 'fets deliver more stable and overall power, and are more efficient), and LOTS of bios options. Anything high end made by gigabyte, asus, or DFI fits within that category although there are some gems from other manufacturers as well.
Any board with an nvidia chipset is generally not recommended as they are generally more complex and run hotter, limiting their overclockability. They're good for memory overclocking though as they can fully unlink the memory from the FSB.
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