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I'm currently looking at building a brand new PC from the ground up with a 8350, h100i, and hoping to crank it up to 5ghz. I know the i5 3570k is about the same price, and will out perform it, but I'm looking more to the future with Steamroller. Since vishera is a marginal percent better than the 8150 was, It seems like AMD has learned from their mistakes and are getting better. My primary question is, is it worth it to get a 8350 crank it to 5ghz to match or beat a i5 3570k by a little, and upgrade to Steamroller when it comes out (saving money on a mobo in the future) or get a i5 3570k, and upgrade my mobo and CPU when 2013 chips come out for intel? I'll be running a GTX 680 2gb with it, 8 gigs of ram, and a SSD (to give you a little idea of what my rig will be). Thanks ahead of time.

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Jesus christ. I asked a question, and started a war. Let me clear this up, so I don't have to read another 13 pages of fanboy's fighting for something that has no god damn effect on their life directly.

I am looking to build a GAMING PC, but am stuck inbetween a FX-8350 or an i5 3570k. They are around the same price range, but I had alot of fun overclocking AMD a while back, and I'm looking to take it to 5Ghz. I will also overclock the i5 3570k if I get it (obviously). Power consumption is of no issue to me, or I would not be overclocking. My main reason for this question is since Steamroller is confirmed on AM3+, and I'm assuming so will Excavator. Due to the big leap they took from Bulldozer to Piledriver, they seem to be getting back on the right track. If I were to buy a Formula V, or Gigabyte UD3 motherboard, with a 750-900W PSU, 8gb of 1866 ram, a 120gb SSD with a 500gb storage, a H100i, and use my GTX 680, would it be worth building a AM3+ rig to save having to upgrade my board AGAIN when another Intel chip comes out for a performance boost. AM3+ is going to be used again, and I can make another upgrade in CPU where as with Intel I'd need another board, but if Steamroller is a flop, i'll have to upgrade anyway.

My main concerns are:

-If I add another GTX 680 in the future to SLI, will I see a bottleneck with the FX 8350 at 5Ghz+? If so, how much do you believe?
-If I get a FX-8350 to 5ghz+, how much of an improvement would it be over the benchmarks that show it at stock?
-Do YOU see the FX 8350 and up aging well with more games using more cores?
-Do YOU guys see Steamroller and up being another step in the right direction, or a barely increased performance over Piledriver?


I do not play Battlefield 3, nor do I play 90% of the **** they use for benchmarks, so its hard to apply it to a real world scenario for me. My main game at the moment is Planetside 2, and though it is said it does well with the FX 8350, I've yet to see any benchmarks/replies from actual players with it. I do very little editing and use a little photoshop. I know the FX 8350 would be better there, but its not something i'd really weight heavily in my choice. I'm aware older games perform better on Intel due to their higher IPC, and the games only using x cores.

My original post was lacking in detail, which I apologize over.

Do not crucify eachother over a company that could care less about you. Intel will not be your best man at your wedding, AMD did not save your mother from a fire. Thanks again.
Edited by Aortic - 11/26/12 at 3:45am
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Vishera is a big jump ahead of the 8150, you buy for today, and AMD has stated steamroller on AM3+, last cpu on this socket. the i5 3570k, does not out perform the 8350 or the 8320, in anything that actually matters.
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Well at stock it out performs, from what i've seen/read. Also, isnt Excavator coming after Steamroller on AM3+ also? I figured if 8350 was such a big jump from 8150 (like it was), Steamroller would be an even bigger leap. I'm just hoping AMD made a bad call in design, and they've seen their mistake, and they'll be coming back to top dogs with Intel. I'm not looking for a fanboy reassurance, just peoples opinions on the situation aha.

(not calling you a fanboy of course)
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Vishera is a big jump ahead of the 8150, you buy for today, and AMD has stated steamroller on AM3+, last cpu on this socket. the i5 3570k, does not out perform the 8350 or the 8320, in anything that actually matters.
^^True. I had a 8150 @ 4.7ghz and my 8320 @ 4.7ghz is way better.
And a 3750K is about the same as a 8320 or 8350. Even when all 3 are oc.
Edited by dixson01974 - 11/24/12 at 10:42pm
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, last cpu on this socket. the i5 3570k, does not out perform the 8350 or the 8320, in anything that actually matters.

do you have links to benchmarks "for gaming" that show the 8350 / 8320 out performing the 3570k?
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For gaming alone the 3570k will have a slight advantage over the 8350. If you plan on doing anything other than gaming such as video encoding, 3d rendering, or anything that is optimized for 4+ cores, you may find that the 8350 is at a slight advantage.

Generally speaking however, the I5 3570k at 4.5ghz and the 8350 at 5ghz are fairly close for gaming purposes. In most modern titles the 3570k will yield higher framerates and consume less power however.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5
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for gaming specifically an intel 2500k or anything greater will beat an amd 8320/50.
gaming benchmarks consistently show intel having a greater ipc and single-thread peformance resulting in better gaming scores.

if you don't have a budget go intel x79 3820, there's no reason to wait for steamroller.
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for gaming specifically an intel 2500k or anything greater will beat an amd 8320/50.
gaming benchmarks consistently show intel having a greater ipc and single-thread peformance resulting in better gaming scores.
if you don't have a budget go intel x79 3820, there's no reason to wait for steamroller.
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Its not necessarily I won't have the money, its just I enjoy overclocking greatly, and intel is really a bore anymore besides the 1366 and 2011 socket really from what i've seen. I used to have AMD back in the day until intel took over the CPU market when BD failed miserably. I'm more just curious if I take my AMD route, if I'll regret it in the future. I understand that it will be a little slower than the i5-3570k or equal right now with my OC, I'm just wondering if people see Steamroller coming back with stronger IPC, and architect design to make it up with intel speeds again.

do you have links to benchmarks "for gaming" that show the 8350 / 8320 out performing the 3570k?

The only gave i've seen 8350 match at stock with i5 3570k is Skyrim, and Battlefield 3. Thats just me personally.
Edited by Aortic - 11/24/12 at 10:50pm
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well from all "GAMING" benchmarks I've not seen it out perform the 3570k. Though in other things that isn't gaming it does but that isn't what you asked.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-9.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5

I've been searching ever since AMD released the 8350 and I can't find a single review with gaming benchmarks that put it at beating the 3570k... The reason I've been looking so hard is because I am / was an AMD fan and want it to give INTEL competition but it just isn't. If I missed something then please correct me but I can't find it.
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For gaming alone the 3570k will have a slight advantage over the 8350. If you plan on doing anything other than gaming such as video encoding, 3d rendering, or anything that is optimized for 4+ cores, you may find that the 8350 is at a slight advantage.
Generally speaking however, the I5 3570k at 4.5ghz and the 8350 at 5ghz are fairly close for gaming purposes. In most modern titles the 3570k will yield higher framerates and consume less power however.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5

This is good stuff here, i'd also like to point out that if you are decent at overclocking an 8320 will do the same stuff for you, at a cheaper price then the 8350 and 3570k.

And no matter what processor is better than another, a 8320 and a 150 dollar video card will beat a 3570k and a 100 dollar card every day of the week (just a little example don't know if you buying a new card or not) thumb.gif
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