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actually if you read my first few posts, I asked for nearly 2 pages for proof of the stupidly biased statements that were being thrown around, nobody showed any and then Malo snuck in some ninja edits. Of course I overlooked most of the nonsense when it was filled with unreasonable deniability and over justification apropo to the ability of the 8350 vs the 3570k. But you'd have to have followed the thread to have known that those Screen shots weren't added until the thread continued so yes it was easy to overlook when they weren't there when he first posted that reply. I truly can't see mature logical people reasonably being this unrational about things and arguing over the most stupid points just to prove their loyalty to a product that barely makes the mark.... rolleyes.gif I'll be back on the AMD wagon when it actually presents a winning gaming CPU, not just winning on a small handful of games but the majority.
I'm not overlooking the benchmarks, infact I'm reasoning on them now and seeing if they add up to make the 8350 worth the difference for a gaming build. As it stands now I'm not sure either way. People need to unplug if they can't stop from being so overly aggresive over such silly things. If I'm wrong about something I'd love to learn from it, which is why I asked repeatedly for proof, links, benchmarks, not ninja them in to make others look stupid and then call them out for not seeing them. Thats simply childish and immature. I thought this was supposed to be a proffesional place to discuss things not resorting to MEME's and passive aggressive stupidity. I'm more then willing to discuss things on a mature level and learn new things but I'm not willing to deal with immature unreasonable individuals who can't debate in a mature and respectful fashion.

Proof of performance has been provided, you maybe making a irrational decision and or arriving at conclusions due to personal or maybe even professional bias.You can choose which ever cpu you want. Thats you choice, but i'll be honest here, every post you have made sure looks like exactly how Intel instructs people to behave on forums to sway opinion.

Its product differentiation, used in a negative manner. I'd buy a ford, but GM does X Y Z better, even though the differences are large impossiable to quantify consistently.If you just want a gaming machine, buy a Xbox and stop whining.
Edited by SCollins - 11/25/12 at 7:52pm
post #112 of 258
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You just got served with proof that the 8350 can outperform the i5 in 5 different games, and youre going to completely discount and not acknowledge it? Why? You asked the question, MALO answered and you're overlooking that to cry about symatics? Your hardware insecurities are making you so inconsistent with your arguments that I dont know what you're arguing about anymore.
GOD, you're one tough cookie to follow... You need to be more consistent with your trolling. So an i3 is better because it outperforms in some games and cost $40 less? So using your logic, an 8350 is better than a 3770K because it plays some games just as good and cost much less. Correct?
Ignorance is being un-informed and not knowing the facts. Stupidity is being informed and knowing the facts but choosing to ignore them.
Common Schmuckley, you're so much better than this.....
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=697
83XX is much better in damn near every way compared to its Phenom II cousins.

aye..the FX is clocked 700Mhz higher..stock clocks thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
You have one of those? What's the lowest SuperPi time you can get with it?What is the single-thread score on Cinebench @ 4.5 Ghz?
Chips that run SuperPi faster=Chips that game smoother.You can take that to the bank tongue.gifteaching.gif

http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/fx_8350/ 8350
http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i5_3570k/ 3570k
Edited by Schmuckley - 11/25/12 at 8:00pm
 
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post #113 of 258
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aye..the FX is clocked 700Mhz higher..stock clocks thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
You have one of those? What's the lowest SuperPi time you can get with it?What is the single-thread score on Cinebench @ 4.5 Ghz?
Chips that run SuperPi faster=Chips that game smoother.You can take that to the bank tongue.gifteaching.gif
http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/fx_8350/ 8350
http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i5_3570k/ 3570k

Lots of games using legacy x87 these days ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_PI

ah not so much
post #114 of 258
Floating point instructions. Compare those between Deneb/Thuban/FX/SB/IB
Floating point random small stuff is still king.

What instructions does WPrime 1024 use? It (WPrime)calculates math,AND is multi-threaded;That's what a processor does.It is called a math coprocessor for a reason.

http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2330597_iburn_wprime_1024m_fx_8350_214sec_279ms 8350 @ 5 Ghz

http://www.hwbot.org/submission/2293983_jmrios_wprime_1024m_core_i5_3570k_210sec_631ms 3570K @ 4.5 Ghz

Clearly in this case ..3570K gets it done faster.
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aye..the FX is clocked 700Mhz higher..stock clocks thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
You have one of those? What's the lowest SuperPi time you can get with it?What is the single-thread score on Cinebench @ 4.5 Ghz?
Chips that run SuperPi faster=Chips that game smoother.You can take that to the bank tongue.gifteaching.gif
http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/fx_8350/ 8350
http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i5_3570k/ 3570k

I have to agree with Schmuckley on the point of better performance with benchies can also mean better gaming performance.
Once again I've seen reviews being touted as proof but no real world results from individuals as proof. Not everyone has the same skill level at OC'ing and tweaking, some will simply OC the chip itself and ignore the GPU. The GPU itself makes alot of difference and as I said before, real world results from actual gamers and folks benching these pieces of hardware means more to me than a review from a website does.

Review sites can and will tend to skew results to make a given reviewed product look good, it's nothing more than a form of advertising for the manufacturer of the product. That's why they will send the reviewer a piece of hardware for nothing and let them have at it more or less. It doesn't pay to let the pieces you are reviewing constantly look bad or even average vs others it's placed against when doing a review if you want the free stuff to keep coming to you.
Some manufacturers will mandate the hardware is to be returned, some don't but regardless I just don't place alot of stock in these unless I can't find anything else out there and yes, I've seen more than one be less than accurate in my time.

If someone happens to have both pieces, please do a benching comparison to give a real world view, that is what the average joe can expect or do with it.
Personally I've been toying with the thought of getting a 2550K as of late but then again one of the Vishera chips will easily suit my needs.

Speaking of which, just what are the needs and budget of any given gamer anyway?
That's going to be what determines if it's truly worth it or not guys, it's up to the individual.
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It's funny how every single one of these threads results in the same debates. In this case the OP even said :
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I know the i5 3570k is about the same price, and will out perform it, but
...

The FX-8350 will make a great gaming cpu. Aortic accepts that Intel's i5-3570k will beat it in 95% of gaming scenarios, but as long as it's 'good enough' he can live with that. IMO, it is good enough. The FX-8350 is unlikely to result in unplayable framerates when paired with a highend GPU. Aortic has been made aware of all possible positives and negatives and if he still chooses to buy AMD, that's his choice.

Think we can beat this dead horse for another 10 pages?
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Imo if you still wanna save money and still have a great CPU, just buy the Phenom II X4 965 and overclock it to 4ghz and overclock NB to 2600, and you are fine, 4ghz is plenty and that Phenom II is still rocking, also GPU is more important then CPU, so get a GTX 660 Ti or higher with phenom II X4 965 overclock it to 4ghz and with the left over money buy a SSD with it smile.gif, or if you really want a 8350 which is alot better ofc, but I still think the 8350 is more for multitasking and in single threads I think Phenom II is still better, also 4 cores is like enough, no game is optimized for 8 core yet.
post #118 of 258
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aye..the FX is clocked 700Mhz higher..stock clocks thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
You have one of those? What's the lowest SuperPi time you can get with it?What is the single-thread score on Cinebench @ 4.5 Ghz?
Chips that run SuperPi faster=Chips that game smoother.You can take that to the bank tongue.gifteaching.gif
http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/fx_8350/ 8350
http://www.hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i5_3570k/ 3570k

WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?

Vishera chips DEMOLISH Thubans and Denebs in virtually ALL benchmarks. If you want to complain about stock speeds being off by 700MHz, it's only because Phenom IIs can't ever hope to reach the same speeds that the new FX chips can.

At the end of the day, Thuban and Deneb are vastly inferior when it comes to gaming everything.

EDIT: Made sure to emphasize "vastly" and believe it or not "inferior."

EDIT2: There is not a single Thuban or Deneb chip I recommend for any reason. Every single one of them is wasted money. You WILL recieve lower performance for more money at this point. Vishera is superior in virtually every benchmark (synthetic or not) there is. Stop wasting everyones time with this.
Edited by m0bius - 11/25/12 at 10:44pm
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It's funny how every single one of these threads results in the same debates. In this case the OP even said :
...
The FX-8350 will make a great gaming cpu. Aortic accepts that Intel's i5-3570k will beat it in 95% of gaming scenarios, but as long as it's 'good enough' he can live with that. IMO, it is good enough. The FX-8350 is unlikely to result in unplayable framerates when paired with a highend GPU. Aortic has been made aware of all possible positives and negatives and if he still chooses to buy AMD, that's his choice.
Think we can beat this dead horse for another 10 pages?

No, it will take at least 20 for some people to get the memo.
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well from all "GAMING" benchmarks I've not seen it out perform the 3570k. Though in other things that isn't gaming it does but that isn't what you asked.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-9.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5
I've been searching ever since AMD released the 8350 and I can't find a single review with gaming benchmarks that put it at beating the 3570k... The reason I've been looking so hard is because I am / was an AMD fan and want it to give INTEL competition but it just isn't. If I missed something then please correct me but I can't find it.

You aren't looking hard enough and nobody here is to blame for that.
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