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Eek. I'm just actually happy AMD did better than before. I'm just trying to justify a switch back with others personal experience. I've found very little people with it that actually post/reply besides their overclocks.

It's a slippery slope to be honest, I can say that I do see bottlenecks here and there, but usually only over 70-80 fps, which considering I only use 60Hz monitors means absolutely nothing. They won't render more than 60fps anyways, so there's no difference from 60 fps to 1,000,000 fps. It depends on what else you use your machine for, the cost of electricity where you live, what kind of cooling you're using, or if you use monitors with ridiculous refresh rates.
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Here is my 2 cents here. I had a Phenom II x2 555 @ 4.0ghz. We it Bottleneck a HD5970 2gb. Most people will say "Yes it will." I ran that setup for about year. Did I bottleneck anything here and I will say " Nope I haven't seen a bottleneck with that setup." So if I can run a Phenom II 555 without any bottlenecking. Then how can a CPU that is about 2-4 times strong bottleneck 680 SLI?
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I've been seeing folks refer to online review sites such as Tom's for how well a piece of hardware does but don't forget sites like that could state things in such a manner that the reviewed product may look better than it actually is. Those sites are at least partially used as advertising for stuff, that's why those sites and reviewers get these pieces they way they do.

True, many reviews by sites are indeed close to the mark and that depends on the site and who's doing the actual tweaking of that piece of hardware when the testing is done, plus could be that particular example reviewed could either be a killer or a dud but normally companies will pick out a good example and send that to them to help guarantee a good result.

The only real way to know how well a given piece could do is to see real world benchmarks done by folks that have proven they know how to do it, pushing them to the utter limits such as you'd see over at HWbot. Right now there is a 8350 vs 3570K comp going on and that kind of thing will absolutely tell the tale once it's over.

All I can say on my part of it is I do look at reviews some of the time but I don't trust them explicitly, I also look around and see who's doing what with it at other sites such as this one and the Bot. Helps to have more than a narrow point of reference if wanting to get the real scoop on something and that's been my experience over time.
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I've been seeing folks refer to online review sites such as Tom's for how well a piece of hardware does but don't forget sites like that could state things in such a manner that the reviewed product may look better than it actually is. Those sites are at least partially used as advertising for stuff, that's why those sites and reviewers get these pieces they way they do.
True, many reviews by sites are indeed close to the mark and that depends on the site and who's doing the actual tweaking of that piece of hardware when the testing is done, plus could be that particular example reviewed could either be a killer or a dud but normally companies will pick out a good example and send that to them to help guarantee a good result.
The only real way to know how well a given piece could do is to see real world benchmarks done by folks that have proven they know how to do it, pushing them to the utter limits such as you'd see over at HWbot. Right now there is a 8350 vs 3570K comp going on and that kind of thing will absolutely tell the tale once it's over.
All I can say on my part of it is I do look at reviews some of the time but I don't trust them explicitly, I also look around and see who's doing what with it at other sites such as this one and the Bot. Helps to have more than a narrow point of reference if wanting to get the real scoop on something and that's been my experience over time.

What it seems like is the FX-8350 isnt getting the props it should get, being that AMD has improved their crappyy architect, improving it 15% or so, on the same chipset. Every review i've seen goes "Oh it still doesnt beat the i5 3570k", and theres a ton of intel favoritism and crap talking going on. The fact is they took something that was absolute garbage it seemed, and made it decent. Everyones so fast to talk crap on it, and doesn't give it a chance. Alot of sites go "yea, its 10-15% better, but its still slower than "x" intel chip".
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What it seems like is the FX-8350 isnt getting the props it should get, being that AMD has improved their crappyy architect, improving it 15% or so, on the same chipset. Every review i've seen goes "Oh it still doesnt beat the i5 3570k", and theres a ton of intel favoritism and crap talking going on. The fact is they took something that was absolute garbage it seemed, and made it decent. Everyones so fast to talk crap on it, and doesn't give it a chance. Alot of sites go "yea, its 10-15% better, but its still slower than "x" intel chip".

That's one reason I don't go totally with review sites and their opinions alone.
While they may be right about it being slower, it doesn't mean it's actually bad or won't perform well enough for most out there. The best way I know is to look around at a variety of venues and see who's actually done what with stuff such as a CPU. I do realize most gamers will never run their chips outright on LN2 for any reason but even that kind of info when it's done via benchmarking will tell at least part of the story. Checking out diferent sites and combining what you see once done will give you an overall view of how well it does or doesn't do but the ultimate judge should be the consumer, namely the person looking to purchase a given piece. That's why it's always helpful to look around and see what's up from various sources, not just one particular venue of info. redface.gif
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If you can afford 2 680's then you should have enough money for 3770K, lets say that the amd chip is enough for gaming but the thing is its still quite a bit slower on the ipc so with games not threaded well it will bottleneck the gpus and a better cpu will help you to maintain a better min fps. This is what I believe not that I hate on amd or something because both of the setups Im running right now.
I will drop in a 8320 on the system with the thunban though.
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I'm currently looking at building a brand new PC from the ground up with a 8350, h100i, and hoping to crank it up to 5ghz. I know the i5 3570k is about the same price, and will out perform it, but I'm looking more to the future with Steamroller. Since vishera is a marginal percent better than the 8150 was, It seems like AMD has learned from their mistakes and are getting better. My primary question is, is it worth it to get a 8350 crank it to 5ghz to match or beat a i5 3570k by a little, and upgrade to Steamroller when it comes out (saving money on a mobo in the future) or get a i5 3570k, and upgrade my mobo and CPU when 2013 chips come out for intel? I'll be running a GTX 680 2gb with it, 8 gigs of ram, and a SSD (to give you a little idea of what my rig will be). Thanks ahead of time.

I have a FX 8350 and for "ease" of OCing I let the mb do the automatic OC. It came to 4334 Mhz ( 20x 217). This was at stock voltage etc. To crank a Vishera 8350 to 5 Ghz usually takes high voltage and extensive tweeks. I noticed improvement in synthetic benchmarks but not much difference in actual gameplay, My 8350 at 4.334Ghz is slightly behind my 2500k at 4.53 Ghz in games but slightly beats it in multithreading. Steamroller is likely delayed due to AMD's dire financial condition and probably won't see the light of day until 2014. If all you want is the fastest gamer, get the 3570k and OC it. If you want a fast gamer and better overall multi threading at the 8350 price point go for it. Finally if money really doesn't matter buy the 3770k and OC it.

Honestly, getting a 8350 to boot into windows at 5Ghz isn't incredibly hard (did it with my rig at 1.5187 v) but the heat and potential lack of stability are not worth the extra gain. BTW I think the FX8350 is an EXCELLENT buy that gives much improved gaming over the 8150, runs cooler and at a better price point. Your choice.
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Aortic: Agree with your theory but right now in single threaded apps Intel DOES have a lead. You start using muti-threaded games and the gap closes quickly with the AMD 8350 trading blows with Intel.
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8350 is a fine cpu, and if you actually use your computer for doing work, its a great cpu for the money
mostly, its a tie. The intel CPU's beat the AMD cpus in games that are old, single threaded or that just os happen to be well optimized for Intel cpu's. this happens allot actually.
the power difference real world, is less then the cost of a pack of 100w incandescent light bulbs, annualy.
ehh, higher IPC at which instructions ?
funny how the cpu's tie with skyrim, becuase it isn't a well threaded game, IIRC skyrim is built with GCC compiler.
Personally, I suspect your a intel shell, trying to push intel sales in a weak quarter. You've done a aweful lot of positioning to make a intel purchase looking at all this research you've done.
no way, maybe becuase they use portland or gcc compilers ?

1st "if you actually use your computer for doing work, its a great cpu for the money" You are correct but that isn't what is at question. OP is "FX-8350 worth it for gaming?" He didn't ask if this CPU is good for EVERYTHING.
I asked for links that would back up your bias opinion and you still have not provided any and then return to just call me a fan boy in a round about way. You only have one game maybe 2 that can be pointed out as a "TIE" not beating but a tie and that doesn't cut it and would make for horrible justification and reasoning to push the 8350 over the 3570k.
"The intel CPU's beat the AMD cpus in games that are old" This is partly true and disregards all recent releases that the Intel CPU beats the AMD at stock clocks which the INTEL surpasses when overclocked.

Again I ask can you provide any links of trusted review / benchmarks that prove your opinion that somehow isn't proved by anything else besides you stating it? If I'm wrong I'd honestly like to see it and read it so that I can make a sound reasonable decision instead of imature "MAAAAH you intel shell, trying to push sales" garbage passive aggressive argument. Show me proof is all I ask.
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If you were to put an 3750k and an 8350 side by side with identical hardware in unmarked cases, I bet nobody could pick what is what based on performance in games.... I really wish someone did a study like this... I game on a 8150 @ 4.7 with a OC'd 7970 and a GTS450(physx) at 1080p and I have never run into issues on max GFX... plus I see most newer games are going to way higher threading, so YES intel does have stronger core pre core performance but you will only notice it in benchmarks, and lets be honest, do we play games or do we play benchmark? rolleyes.gif plus the 8350 trades blows with the i5 and even the i7 in some benches, not to mention it beats last years fad the BIG BAD 2500k.... so throw your benchmarks around all you want I doubt anyone could pick out the diffrence in real world scenerios, and also if your going to complain about bottlenecks in multi GPU's (8350 does fine with 2 heavy OC'd GPU's) if you can afford 4 $500 GPU's why not get a 3970x ??? common guys be real lol
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