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you are false on your accusations about the fx 8350 being unable to push more than one gpu there is a test done on this site where this was tested and well it was in top tier scores with quad crossfire 7970 gpu's so I think you need to do more research.

You're talking about the Unigine Heaven Benchmark Thread right?

The FX8350 got the lowest score of all the Quad-Fire 7970's in the thread rolleyes.gif







it may have gotten lowest scores but facts are it still gets job done in a very capable / playable way ( it was still in the upper tier scores not at bottom so it performed better than a tri crossfire setup so apparently it is still pushing the fourth card )for cheaper and in the situation you said about games not using multithreaded features well facts are that is route games are going single thread games are dying out along with software is now looking towards multithreading so it only makes sense to go route the rest of world is going techwise / program wise.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 4/1/13 at 1:56pm
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it may have gotten lowest scores but facts are it still gets job done in a very capable / playable way ( it was still in the upper tier scores not at bottom so it performed better than a tri crossfire setup so apparently it is still pushing the fourth card )for cheaper and in the situation you said about games not using multithreaded features well facts are that is route games are going single thread games are dying out alonmg with software is now looking towards multithreading so it only makes sense to go route the rest of world is going techwise / program wise.

Dude what are you talking about? Heaven in extremely GPU limited so the CPU doesn't have to do a lot and it's quite sad that even in such a GPU heavy benchmark it still can't match the Intel stuff.
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I'm currently looking at building a brand new PC from the ground up with a 8350, h100i, and hoping to crank it up to 5ghz. I know the i5 3570k is about the same price, and will out perform it, but I'm looking more to the future with Steamroller.
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Since vishera is a marginal percent better than the 8150 was, It seems like AMD has learned from their mistakes and are getting better. My primary question is, is it worth it to get a 8350 crank it to 5ghz to match or beat a i5 3570k by a little, and upgrade to Steamroller when it comes out (saving money on a mobo in the future) or get a i5 3570k, and upgrade my mobo and CPU when 2013 chips come out for intel? I'll be running a GTX 680 2gb with it, 8 gigs of ram, and a SSD (to give you a little idea of what my rig will be). Thanks ahead of time.

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Jesus christ. I asked a question, and started a war. Let me clear this up, so I don't have to read another 13 pages of fanboy's fighting for something that has no god damn effect on their life directly.

I am looking to build a GAMING PC, but am stuck inbetween a FX-8350 or an i5 3570k. They are around the same price range, but I had alot of fun overclocking AMD a while back, and I'm looking to take it to 5Ghz. I will also overclock the i5 3570k if I get it (obviously). Power consumption is of no issue to me, or I would not be overclocking. My main reason for this question is since Steamroller is confirmed on AM3+, and I'm assuming so will Excavator. Due to the big leap they took from Bulldozer to Piledriver, they seem to be getting back on the right track. If I were to buy a Formula V, or Gigabyte UD3 motherboard, with a 750-900W PSU, 8gb of 1866 ram, a 120gb SSD with a 500gb storage, a H100i, and use my GTX 680, would it be worth building a AM3+ rig to save having to upgrade my board AGAIN when another Intel chip comes out for a performance boost. AM3+ is going to be used again, and I can make another upgrade in CPU where as with Intel I'd need another board, but if Steamroller is a flop, i'll have to upgrade anyway.

My main concerns are:

-If I add another GTX 680 in the future to SLI, will I see a bottleneck with the FX 8350 at 5Ghz+? If so, how much do you believe?
-If I get a FX-8350 to 5ghz+, how much of an improvement would it be over the benchmarks that show it at stock?
-Do YOU see the FX 8350 and up aging well with more games using more cores?
-Do YOU guys see Steamroller and up being another step in the right direction, or a barely increased performance over Piledriver?


I do not play Battlefield 3, nor do I play 90% of the **** they use for benchmarks, so its hard to apply it to a real world scenario for me. My main game at the moment is Planetside 2, and though it is said it does well with the FX 8350, I've yet to see any benchmarks/replies from actual players with it. I do very little editing and use a little photoshop. I know the FX 8350 would be better there, but its not something i'd really weight heavily in my choice. I'm aware older games perform better on Intel due to their higher IPC, and the games only using x cores.

My original post was lacking in detail, which I apologize over.

Do not crucify eachother over a company that could care less about you. Intel will not be your best man at your wedding, AMD did not save your mother from a fire. Thanks again.

The FX8350 is great for gaming.

Here is my recomendation if you choose to purchase the FX8350
Use a quality air cooler over the H100i and only overclock to 4.6-4.8Ghz

The reason I say this is that, unless you end up with a golden cpu, the cost to get that extra 200-400Mhz is about 10x the cost to go from 4.0Ghz-4.6Ghz.
In most cases the H100i will not be enough to stress for stability at 5.0Ghz, so you'd really need custom water cooling, so you're paying 100$ for ~200Mhz.
Then you'd be paying an extra ~$300 if decide to go custom water cooling to get 5.0Ghz+, so you'd be about $100/100Mhz at that point.

That's a lot of money to go towards another GPU if you decide to, for a very small gain.

Good luck with your purchase.
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almighty15 I got one thing to say most benchmarks you see are without the patches that get the amd fx to work properly which are not included in the reg windows updates you have to get them from Microsoft website http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 is one example there is another one also but cant find it at sec once these patches are done the performance of the amd fx cpus goes up a lot often 15-20% total overall increase which puts it above the i5 3570k in a lot more instances instead of just occasionaly trading blows.


http://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-fx-8350-oc-vs-i5-3570k-oc-battle-continues a bit of proof

http://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-3570k-vs-3770k-vs-3820-gaming-and-xsplit-streaming-benchmarks a huge bit of proof


So PLZ make sure you understand facts I can give a rats #$% about synthetic benchmarks I am interested in the real life gaming tests and they did pretty well in my books everyone knows the crysis series until crysis 3 (optimized for amd) were very intel biased performance wise in otherwards the intel would make amd cpu's look like crap performance wise explain why they are now so close in these tests and under many situations the amd fx 8350 beats them (hint patches were installed that helped the new architecture with optimizations on the OS lvl) the games themselves were not the issue it was a issue Microsoft had and didn't release patches for until way after release even then they were not included in reg updates.
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almighty15 I got one thing to say most benchmarks you see are without the patches that get the amd fx to work properly which are not included in the reg windows updates you have to get them from Microsoft website http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 is one example there is another one also but cant find it at sec once these patches are done the performance of the amd fx cpus goes up a lot often 15-20% total overall increase which puts it above the i5 3570k in a lot more instances instead of just occasionaly trading blows.

The patches made 0 difference...... and on the parts they made a very very small difference they also improved performance on Intel CPU's too..... so please get your facts straight before posting.
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wrong the one patch helped intel the amd fx patch I linked did not it was amd cpu only hince opteron / amd fx / amd bulldozer read the facts about the patch and it did a lot more than 0 for an increase there was a huge issue that hampered the above cpu's read the patch notes ( http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 NO WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT INTEL ) don't just spout jibberish out your $%#.



This is a direct copy paste



This article introduces an update for computers that are running Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2 and that have a processor from one of the following series installed:•AMD FX
•AMD Opteron 4200/4300
•AMD Opteron 6200/6300
•AMD Opteron Bulldozer
Currently, the CPU scheduling techniques that are used by Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 are not optimized for the AMD Bulldozer module architecture. This architecture is found on AMD FX series, AMD Opteron 4200/4300 Series, and AMD Opteron 6200/6300 Series processors. Therefore, multithreaded workloads may not be optimally distributed on computers that have one of these processors installed in a lightly-threaded environment. This may result in decreased system performance for some applications.


So where do you see a benefit to intel out of this AMD PATCH ONLY FOR ABOVE CPU's
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wrong the one patch helped intel the amd fx patch I linked did not it was amd cpu only hince opteron / amd fx / amd bulldozer read the facts about the patch and it did a lot more than 0 for an increase there was a huge issue that hampered the above cpu's read the patch notes ( http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594 NO WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT INTEL ) don't just spout jibberish out your $%#.
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“Our testing shows that not every application realizes a performance boost. In fact, heavily threaded apps (those designed to use all 8 cores), get little or no uplift from this hotfix – they are already maxing out the processor. In other cases, the uplift averages out to a 1% - 2% uplift,” said Adam Kozak, a product marketing manager at AMD.

Link

Even AMD themselves say there's next to no difference from the patches and reading articles and reviews testing performance before and after the patches also show there's next to no increase and no where near the 15-20% you claim rolleyes.gif
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So the benefit to the cpu performance is there once patch is installed and greatly improves single thread performance along with multithread and makes a big difference I know I was one the ones thinking I had made a bad buy with the fx cpu then I found the patches and well facts are I am very proud of my buy and game a lot with it and have yet to regret it even with trifire xfx black edtion 7970 gpus overclocked to max stable ( on liquid cooling ) yes 3 cards so I have one thing to say I stand by my previous posts originaly I was upset with the performance but after the patches that was all in past.
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