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benchmarks are the only way we can determine before we purchase which one is actually the strongest in specific situations. While I agree you probably wont notice the difference in real world gaming with equal parts, it doesn't answer the OP's question of which one is stronger at gaming.
Maybe I miss understand when someone says "trades blows" but doesn't that mean both equally do better and worse then the other? I'm still looking for someone to provide benchmarks that show the AMD trading blows, beating i5 on more then 2 games, skyrim or battlefield 3. Guild Wars 2 has been noticed to perform better on intels hyper threaded cores, which would presumably do better on a AMD multi core processor but it doesn't.
So if a new consumer wants to buy the best for his money and wants to determine which is the best for what he wants to do, how do you suggest he does it without looking at benchmarks? Just like other naive builders do, pick the most expensive and hope its the best? It doesn't seem reasonable to not look at reviews and benchmarks.

I'm a fan of what performs well. If something stands out as the highest performer then why not take note? It is interesting to me how people are saying its not getting the credit it deserves. it isn't because it doesn't deserve it. The most expensive AMD FX chip can't "trade blows" with the i5-3570k so of course it doesn't deserve credit as an equal to the market for "GAMING". I keep seeing people say well "The next AMD chip will be better" when The current INTEL Chip is better for gaming. All i see is a bunch of strawman arguments to justify the AMD chip for gaming. Give me something besides opinion.
Edited by Apropo - 11/25/12 at 8:32am
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The problem with the multi gpu setup its the chipset. Some people here with more knowledge than me have explained it in other threads about the same problem.
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The FX-8350 and i5-3570k are both good for gaming. I've run both (well a 8320 actually). I will tell you that it might be hard to run 5.0GHz on a H100 while keeping it under the thermal limit. I would spend the extra $40 on a XSPC Raystorm RX240 kit instead. Also with a FX chip it pays to get a nicer motherboard. If you want stable 5.0GHz I would recommend getting the Sabertooth or Crosshair V Formula. You can hit 4.4GHz with a $110 Z77 chipset motherboard with the i5 though. It's an enthusiast market and you pay to play. AMD chips are way more fun to overclock and tweak. Intel has made overclocking boring by not letting you go much over the stock BCLK.

If you do get an FX chip, you need to spend on the motherboard. If you don't have adequate VRM cooling and voltage control then 5.0GHz is hard to come by especially on a closed loop cooler.
post #34 of 258
No 8350=NOT worth it for gaming.AMD chips "worth it" for gaming = 965 BE,Thubans..all clocked to over 4 Ghz..just about any phenom/athlon 2 C3 revision..or ph/e0 for thuban...overclocked.
 
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Originally Posted by Schmuckley View Post

No 8350=NOT worth it for gaming.AMD chips "worth it" for gaming = 965 BE,Thubans..all clocked to over 4 Ghz..just about any phenom/athlon 2 C3 revision..or ph/e0 for thuban...overclocked.

8350 performs better that PH2's I thought?
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Originally Posted by Schmuckley View Post

No 8350=NOT worth it for gaming.AMD chips "worth it" for gaming = 965 BE,Thubans..all clocked to over 4 Ghz..just about any phenom/athlon 2 C3 revision..or ph/e0 for thuban...overclocked.

Not worth it for gaming? Lol. My 8120 is worth it for gaming, even at stock. Just because a previous processor that's overclocked beats a more current one by a hair doesn't mean the other product isn't worth it. I'm getting 30+fps on even the worst optimized of games on highest settings. As well as 60+ on just about everything else, with my set up. Sounds good to me thumb.gif

And last time I had heard, the 8350 is indeed the best AMD has to offer these days in terms of everything.
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benchmarks are the only way we can determine before we purchase which one is actually the strongest in specific situations. While I agree you probably wont notice the difference in real world gaming with equal parts, it doesn't answer the OP's question of which one is stronger at gaming.
Maybe I miss understand when someone says "trades blows" but doesn't that mean both equally do better and worse then the other? I'm still looking for someone to provide benchmarks that show the AMD trading blows, beating i5 on more then 2 games, skyrim or battlefield 3. Guild Wars 2 has been noticed to perform better on intels hyper threaded cores, which would presumably do better on a AMD multi core processor but it doesn't.
So if a new consumer wants to buy the best for his money and wants to determine which is the best for what he wants to do, how do you suggest he does it without looking at benchmarks? Just like other naive builders do, pick the most expensive and hope its the best? It doesn't seem reasonable to not look at reviews and benchmarks.
I'm a fan of what performs well. If something stands out as the highest performer then why not take note? It is interesting to me how people are saying its not getting the credit it deserves. it isn't because it doesn't deserve it. The most expensive AMD FX chip can't "trade blows" with the i5-3570k so of course it doesn't deserve credit as an equal to the market for "GAMING". I keep seeing people say well "The next AMD chip will be better" when The current INTEL Chip is better for gaming. All i see is a bunch of strawman arguments to justify the AMD chip for gaming. Give me something besides opinion.





like I said... most new games it doesnt matter, most games are GPU based... only a few newr gamers run better on intel becasue of console ports
Edited by Malo - 11/25/12 at 9:41am
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do you have links to benchmarks "for gaming" that show the 8350 / 8320 out performing the 3570k?
There you go smile.gif from an article at http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/combo-review-amd-vishera-fx-8350-asus-crosshair-v-formula-z-rog/19/

Edit: Malo beat me to it lol
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to sum this thread up and clarify, The FX 8350 is awesome for gaming! for people to say it isn't is just pure ignorance and lack of research, biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Cannon19932006 View Post

 a 8320 and a 150 dollar video card will beat a 3570k and a 100 dollar card every day of the week 


QFT.


In most games, you'll only see a CPU bottleneck in the 80-100 fps range.

 

 

 

 


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Originally Posted by Schmuckley View Post

No 8350=NOT worth it for gaming.AMD chips "worth it" for gaming = 965 BE,Thubans..all clocked to over 4 Ghz..just about any phenom/athlon 2 C3 revision..or ph/e0 for thuban...overclocked.

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