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I'm actually quiet happy with stock and limited to 80% power limit

Just know that you can get more performance for free biggrin.gif

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That's my current single card score. I see a lot of people getting higher, their cards must be on crack or something tongue.gif
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I could not help but notice the 1.536v on your cpu! eek.gif

your Gpu is even clocked higher than mine confused.gif, maybe the scores bottleneck is the cpu... I know higher clocks do not always mean better scores, but you should also check your drivers too, have you tried others? I got the recent beta driver today, and my score pummeled to rock bottom biggrin.gif i got like P6012, then i rolled back and went back to my mid 7000's...
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306.97 scores a little lower on my end then 310.33

yes, my CPU is not full time 5ghz, infact its normally only 3600mhz / 1.144v
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I could not help but notice the 1.536v on your cpu! eek.gif
your Gpu is even clocked higher than mine confused.gif, maybe the scores bottleneck is the cpu... I know higher clocks do not always mean better scores, but you should also check your drivers too, have you tried others? I got the recent beta driver today, and my score pummeled to rock bottom biggrin.gif i got like P6012, then i rolled back and went back to my mid 7000's...

If you notice his Physics score is much lower than yours. It makes the combined score much lower. Your 2500K @ 5GHz > his 4100 @ 5GHz
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306.97 scores a little lower on my end then 310.33
yes, my CPU is not full time 5ghz, infact its normally only 3600mhz / 1.144v

Oh, okay... i almost had a heart attack for you tongue.gif jk...
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If you notice his Physics score is much lower than yours. It makes the combined score much lower. Your 2500K @ 5GHz > his 4100 @ 5GHz

Yeah... I think he would get better scores than i got if he had a 3570k or something of that range.
Edited by Yungbenny911 - 11/26/12 at 10:56am
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I have 3x Club 3D GTX 670 2GB, 1x eVGA GTX 660Ti SC 2GB and 1x MSi GTX 660 TwinFrozr III OC 2GB.

The GTX 660 can do exactly what all the other cards do at 1920x1200 4xAA, 16xAF max details. The GTX 660Ti is marginally better in the games played - Crysis 2, Max Payne 3, COD MW 3, BF3. The GTX 670 is faster than both - but price/performance compared to the GTX 660 I feel the GTX 670 fall short. It's primarily when doing 8xAA+SSAO the GTX 670 shines contra the other cards.

I paid 2800Dkk / $480 for GTX 670 in September
2200Dkk / $379 for GTX 660Ti in October
1600Dkk / $ 275 for GTX 660 in October

The GTX 660 Ti I'm really not that impressed with since the $100+ price over the GTX 660 for 10% better performance I can't really justify. The GTX 670 is around 20% faster than the GTX 660, but when I run with 8xAA and SSAO active the difference can really be obvious - some time as much at 40%, so the $200 spent more on the GTX 670 2GB may be okay. But overall I feel very happy with the GTX 660.
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I have 3x Club 3D GTX 670 2GB, 1x eVGA GTX 660Ti SC 2GB and 1x MSi GTX 660 TwinFrozr III OC 2GB.
The GTX 660 can do exactly what all the other cards do at 1920x1200 4xAA, 16xAF max details. The GTX 660Ti is marginally better in the games played - Crysis 2, Max Payne 3, COD MW 3, BF3. The GTX 670 is faster than both - but price/performance compared to the GTX 660 I feel the GTX 670 fall short. It's primarily when doing 8xAA+SSAO the GTX 670 shines contra the other cards.
I paid 2800Dkk / $480 for GTX 670 in September
2200Dkk / $379 for GTX 660Ti in October
1600Dkk / $ 275 for GTX 660 in October
The GTX 660 Ti I'm really not that impressed with since the $100+ price over the GTX 660 for 10% better performance I can't really justify. The GTX 670 is around 20% faster than the GTX 660, but when I run with 8xAA and SSAO active the difference can really be obvious - some time as much at 40%, so the $200 spent more on the GTX 670 2GB may be okay. But overall I feel very happy with the GTX 660.
Finally, people that really know what they are saying... thumb.gif

I had a gtx 670 reference that could not even go above 1060mhz without crashing! mad.gif, my highest 3d mark 11 score was 9000+, while other people easily got above 11,000+

Imagine if i was hardocp.com, and i benched that card. Will that card not do really bad in game benches? Every Gpu is different, even my sli config runs on different clocks, and basing the whole 660 cards on one single card you ran a test on is un-professional.. That's why i called it a silly benchmark earlier. They had a bad card, that's all. Even asus released a BIOS update with higher core clocks for their cards, as they were under performing tongue.gif (you can google it)

Like you, I have also gotten variety of cards, 570 @ 900MHZ 1.175mv, 580 (cant remember the clock speeds), gtx 670 @ 1060mhz (1123mhz MAX), 550 ti (can't remember also). And trust me, i bench a lot. And when i compare the scores i have, Performance per dollar, the 660's come first!

I got my 670 by a step-up program, and paid almost 180$+shipping from a 570. It was not worth it that's why i sold the card. The 660's of today, perform just as good as my 580, and costs way less than when i got my 580. I looked up a lot of videos (i am not really a fan of benchmark charts) i like to see real gameplay and fps on the side of the screen, and the 660 ti did not just cut it for me. single card wise, maybe it's good and could come on top, but sli wise (which i know of)... it's not good enough, and struggles to surpass it's underling to 100$ difference in performance. #nuf said wink.gif
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why is there not a thread for this card?

I wanted to post it today. I has been bit distracted by underclocking. I would need to get 50 C degree resistant strong PSU for proper overclocking, mod BIOS, and check if mainboard can survive it. I guess I should avoid massive overclocking until I switch from PCI-E 1.0a to PCI-E 3.0.


So what are your underclocking numbers? (Underclocking is more interesting until they would release some BIOS unlocker, though I know where I can increase the necessary stuff, I'd just need to find how I can calculate CRC.)
I managed to get to 954 MHz at .950V, and 928 MHz at 0.925V.



As for overclocking, it looks like I have stable 1058MHz at 1.050V. Furmark goes to 27 FPS without rising power target, 28-29 FPS at 1.1 power target. (73 degree max one short session)


There is a small catch. I can't know max stable overclock because power target limits max draw, which basically blocks full utilization of GTX 660. So, I guess I'd be able to get above 1170 MHz rock stable, but until I'd mod BIOS to allow to get at least to 1.2 of power target/limit, I have no way to test it properly. In fact majority of my efforts were attempts to disable boost because these voltage spikes are not healthy for the card. I was successful, however I didn't test it under Linux. BTW I was able to run CUDA programs at 1220 MHz, but I didn't test the result.
GTX 660 is actually rather an aberration. It's underpowered because it feels like it's missing that 6th SMX. However, it has massive bandwidth in comparison to its power. Two underclocked GTX 660 SLI should be a beast.

Well. Lets say it straightly. Furmark is bad for testing max overclock, because it will not test for glitches. OCCT is useless, because it worked flawlessly at high temperature for half hour, yet the game I tested had problems nearly immediately.
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Come on now. how difficult is it for someone to pick up a badly priced GTX 670 2GB. 440 bucks. lets not get into this. rolleyes.gif
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130843

Speaking of this interminable debate you two are having, here's a pretty simple chart to settle the matter.



The 660 is a better bang-for-buck card than a 660ti, which is in turn a better bang-for-buck card than the 670, which is in turn ... etc, etc, etc.

You almost always pay a price premium for faster single cards. All the high-end cards are in the lower 1/2 of the chart in terms of value, and the medium-tier cards are the best value in terms of FPS/$.

Bottom-line the OP's claim that the 660ti isn't as good a bang for buck card as the 660 seems well borne out by available facts.

However, as you go up the charts, the loss of value vs. the actual performance improvement is pretty dang consistent. You lose about 10% of 'value' while gaining about 10-12% in 'performance' with each step up you make, from 660ti to 670 to 680. 'Diminishing returns', just like we (almost) always see, and likely always will.
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