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Yeah... I think he would get better scores than i got if he had a 3570k or something of that range.

Worry not, this little FX-4100 is alot better then people give it credit for.
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I wanted to post it today. I has been bit distracted by underclocking. I would need to get 50 C degree resistant strong PSU for proper overclocking, mod BIOS, and check if mainboard can survive it. I guess I should avoid massive overclocking until I switch from PCI-E 1.0a to PCI-E 3.0.
So what are your underclocking numbers? (Underclocking is more interesting until they would release some BIOS unlocker, though I know where I can increase the necessary stuff, I'd just need to find how I can calculate CRC.)
I managed to get to 954 MHz at .950V, and 928 MHz at 0.925V.
As for overclocking, it looks like I have stable 1058MHz at 1.050V. Furmark goes to 27 FPS without rising power target, 28-29 FPS at 1.1 power target. (73 degree max one short session)
There is a small catch. I can't know max stable overclock because power target limits max draw, which basically blocks full utilization of GTX 660. So, I guess I'd be able to get above 1170 MHz rock stable, but until I'd mod BIOS to allow to get at least to 1.2 of power target/limit, I have no way to test it properly. In fact majority of my efforts were attempts to disable boost because these voltage spikes are not healthy for the card. I was successful, however I didn't test it under Linux. BTW I was able to run CUDA programs at 1220 MHz, but I didn't test the result.
GTX 660 is actually rather an aberration. It's underpowered because it feels like it's missing that 6th SMX. However, it has massive bandwidth in comparison to its power. Two underclocked GTX 660 SLI should be a beast.
Well. Lets say it straightly. Furmark is bad for testing max overclock, because it will not test for glitches. OCCT is useless, because it worked flawlessly at high temperature for half hour, yet the game I tested had problems nearly immediately.

i never underclock, so i can barely understand half of what you said tongue.gif, I don't think i can contribute too, but you can help me understand you. Why do you underclock? confused.gif
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Speaking of this interminable debate you two are having, here's a pretty simple chart to settle the matter. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The 660 is a better bang-for-buck card than a 660ti, which is in turn a better bang-for-buck card than the 670, which is in turn ... etc, etc, etc.
You almost always pay a price premium for faster single cards. All the high-end cards are in the lower 1/2 of the chart in terms of value, and the medium-tier cards are the best value in terms of FPS/$.
Bottom-line the OP's claim that the 660ti isn't as good a bang for buck card as the 660 seems well borne out by available facts.
However, as you go up the charts, the loss of value vs. the actual performance improvement is pretty dang consistent. You lose about 10% of 'value' while gaining about 10-12% in 'performance' with each step up you make, from 660ti to 670 to 680. 'Diminishing returns', just like we (almost) always see, and likely always will.

That's a pretty good analysis thumb.gif That settled it for me.
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i never underclock, so i can barely understand half of what you said tongue.gif, I don't think i can contribute too, but you can help me understand you. Why do you underclock? confused.gif

There are several reason for underclocking. It can be used to find optimal Watt/Performance ratio for card, it can be used for silent gaming PCs, it can prevent unnecessary power consumption for games that are running at 2000 FPS, and it can be nice for your electricity bill when you are running your PC overnight because you are doing computationally intensive stuff. You can also mod even high end card to run at passive, when you set speed and voltages correctly and use some big aftermarket heatsink.
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There are several reason for underclocking. It can be used to find optimal Watt/Performance ratio for card, it can be used for silent gaming PCs, it can prevent unnecessary power consumption for games that are running at 2000 FPS, and it can be nice for your electricity bill when you are running your PC overnight because you are doing computationally intensive stuff. You can also mod even high end card to run at passive, when you set speed and voltages correctly and use some big aftermarket heatsink.

Oh, that's cool, now that i think of it, i guess i kinda lied (well not really though biggrin.gif) when i said i do not under-clock. My gaming laptop has the 660m Gpu in it, and with Nvidia inspector, i under-clock it to save power when i am not gaming, Nvidia optimus is good, but any time i run flash applications, it uses the 660m gpu at full clock speeds which eats up the battery while surfing the web, but after under-clocking, i get a minimum of 3 hours battery life. smile.gif, which is nice.

If i try to under-clock with my 660's in my rig, i can only go as low as 50% power target, -502 mhz on the core clock and memory clock too on Evga precision, which is higher than the idle state my 660's run at. Do you think i would be able to under-clock it better with Nividia inspector?, and Btw what software do you use to under-clock yours?.
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Flash apps are killers.

I'm using NvidiaInspector. It's simple trivial and does what I want, at least in the command line. I use F1 for P8 mode, F2 for... and so on.



Overclocking/underclocking cards with boost is quite non trivial, because it needs separate profiles for both. With underclocking, the V shouldn't go up, with overclocking the V shouldn't go down.

To prevent V to go too far up, it's necessary to up the boost clock to TOO HIGH levels. (That setting would freeze in overclocking for sure, and when supplied with proper V it would consume 160-180 W.)
To prevent V to go down, boost clock must be minimal, and all overclocking should be done by a default clock. No boost - V would stay fixed at highest level, and there would be only two or so drops when card would reach 60, and 70 degrees. Of course 70 degree drop would lower V when it would be allowed... Actually I didn't test if the card would lower V when boost clock is neutered. When it reaches 73 degree, it first try to kill boost. If boost is neutered, it might think it's unsafe to hit V, and would merely hit clock speed (drop it by 13, or 26, MHz).

GTX 660m is in fact GT 640 with DDR5. GT 640 consumes up to 40 W, DDR 5 consumes 27 W for 2GB. Thus you'd save more by underclocking the graphics chip than by underclocking the RAM.

BTW they released GTX 660 as notebook chip. It's named GTX 670 MX.
Edited by Raghar - 11/29/12 at 11:17am
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Switched to an 8320, however I got a poor clocker, oh well.


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Switched to an 8320, however I got a poor clocker, oh well.
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To prevent V to go down, boost clock must be minimal, and all overclocking should be done by a default clock. No boost - V would stay fixed at highest level, and there would be only two or so drops when card would reach 60, and 70 degrees. Of course 70 degree drop would lower V when it would be allowed... Actually I didn't test if the card would lower V when boost clock is neutered. When it reaches 73 degree, it first try to kill boost. If boost is neutered, it might think it's unsafe to hit V, and would merely hit clock speed (drop it by 13, or 26, MHz).

A minor correction, the above would apply ONLY when you have unlocked BIOS, or BIOS with unsafe (for 6-pin) power target. A PCI-E 2.0 MB and powerful PSU, like Dark Power pro 10, or Newton R3, should be able to provide enough power trough 6-pin connector. PCE-E 2.0 MB should be able to provide 150 W through PCI-E slot, but not every manufacturer complied with that norm (it was bit silly norm anyway, 3x150 W on one MB would require quite strong lines).

A while ago I tried to do the above on card without unlocked BIOS, just to find what's max clock without unlocking BIOS. Well Furmark has 24 FPS with the above, 27 FPS when you are doing it correctly. Unlocked GTX 660 should hit 32.7 FPS in Furmark, in theory, at 210 W.
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finally found this topic smile.gif

I am awaiting tomorrow evga 660 ftw signature 2 3GB card (235eur) and will upgrade my e7500 c2d@2.94GHz to q9550 c2q@2.83GHz (129eur). since I dont overclock and I do start to feel lack of 4 cores,

it should be enough for FC3, Crysis3, GTA V and JC2

according to what i heard the ti has 40% more cuda processors, but since it has same 192bus the cudas are bottlenecking each other, thats why benchmarks in many cases are close between evga 660 sc/ftw and 660ti.

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finally found this topic smile.gif
I am awaiting tomorrow evga 660 ftw signature 2 3GB card (235eur) and will upgrade my e7500 c2d@2.94GHz to q9550 c2q@2.83GHz (129eur). since I dont overclock and I do start to feel lack of 4 cores,
it should be enough for FC3, Crysis3, GTA V and JC2
according to what i heard the ti has 40% more cuda processors, but since it has same 192bus the cudas are bottlenecking each other, thats why benchmarks in many cases are close between evga 660 sc/ftw and 660ti.
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Nice!.. if you need help with bios modding, i can help anytime!. my card now goes up to 1319Mhz stable at 1.212v biggrin.gif...... Why don't you just upgrade to a 2500k or 2600k?... or add little more money and get the 3770k?... That processor is good but i see some people saying they get better performance from a 2500k. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqS341ibbc
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Mushkin Enhanced Atlas Series120GB SATA III MLC... 1TB 5400RPM (Storage) Blu-ray/DVD-RW Cm X-Slim 
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Windows 8 pro 15.6" FHD LED Glare Wedge 1920x1080 Backlit Keyboard JBL speakers 
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